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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Im sure there will be a discussion
paper and a heap of talk but in the end My employee's and I will
suffer in less wages. Customer will not except price rises with
cut price big players out there. Larger guys will make up the
difference by outsourcing more overseas. <br>
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Matt.<br>
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But in the end On 5/08/2014 10:27 pm, Grahame Lynch wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We've been told at CommsDay they are going to
consult - future tense not past<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 August 2014 19:14, Matt Perkins <span
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The article indicates the government have consulted with
ISP's No one consulted with us and im sure it's the same
for most outside the gang. So they only ask the ones
that can most afford these changes. Not every ISP has
enough margin to building in all these types of systems
(by September ?) Especially ones that do a lot of
traffic on peers. We are scratching our heads how we
capture metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer on a budget
and then store it all. <br>
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We were planing on hireing another employee this month
But now we may need to speed 100k+ on a data retention
system by September perhaps I should reconsider. Yes a
person's real job is at stake vs some data that perhaps
might solve a crime perhaps ? <br>
<br>
I considered putting the carbon tax separately on
hosting bills some years back until lawyers said it was
to hard. Perhaps now it's time to consider at data
retention levy. Anyone else with me ?<br>
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You know I originally started this email off with a bit
of a joke about Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but
I re-considered. This is such a serious subject and such
a worry to smaller ISP's. Like with the NBN and other
decisions made by both sides of Government. This effects
real people's lives and real people's jobs. Decisions
are made with no consideration to the impact on smaller
ISP's . As long as the super funds and the government
shareholding in Telstra is ok. <br>
<br>
Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big
decision's. Products plan to be in the market for
years and cant just be dropped because that network
doesn't exist or now some data needs to be stored. <br>
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If there is any Polly's reading this before you give
more money to struggling farmers trying to maintain
unsustainable farms how about just not meddling with the
rule's for CSP/ISP's Most of us are sustainable if you
leave us alone. We might even employ some people too. <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Matt.</font></span>
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On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The thing is.. until we're actually
told what we need to do... there is little point
speculating about it... because it could be
anything - or nothing.
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<div>CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.
Maillogs, well, that is stupid since very few
people use their ISP's email addresses these
days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.</div>
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<div>Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF... </div>
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<div>The whole proposal is stupid. The funny
thing is that is 200k (as reported) people are
using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do), then we
could just torrent through that anyway, and the
ISP wouldn't be able to see it.</div>
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<div>I'd love the government to try to intercept
VPN's - watch businesses lose their minds if
that happens.</div>
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<div>And if they leave VPN's alone (which I
imagine they'd have to), then the popularity of
VPN's will just go off.</div>
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<div>It is like when they were using the hype of
predators on the internet... any self respecting
non-idiot predator would be using a VPN or TOR,
and any not, is advertising to get caught (which
they all should be).</div>
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<div>Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections,
but I am heavily against pointless and
unenforcible policies.</div>
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<div>I should do a video about this :) </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at
10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <span
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Noggers,<br>
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What thoughts and plans do people have in
place for the possible legal requirements for
data retention?<br>
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VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat,
no one would be discarding those as quickly as
2 years.<br>
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But mail logs? Web clicks? What scope are we
talking about here? How far will we possibly
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