[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

[Matt Perkins]

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/big-brother-is-watching-why-the-government-wants-to-keep-your-metadata/story-fnjwnfzw-1227014368716

The article indicates the government have consulted with ISP's No one 
consulted with us and im sure it's the same for most outside the gang.  
So they only ask the ones that can most afford these changes.  Not every 
ISP has enough margin to building in all these types of systems (by 
September ?) Especially ones that do a lot of traffic on peers. We are 
scratching our heads how we capture metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer 
on a budget and then store it all.

We were planing on hireing another employee this month But now we may 
need to speed 100k+ on a data retention system by September perhaps I 
should reconsider. Yes a person's real job is at stake vs some data that 
perhaps might solve a crime perhaps ?

I considered putting the carbon tax separately on hosting bills some 
years back until lawyers said it was to hard. Perhaps now it's time to 
consider at data retention levy.  Anyone else with me ?

You know I originally started this email off with a bit of a joke about 
Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but I re-considered. This is such a 
serious subject and such a worry to smaller ISP's. Like with the NBN and 
other decisions made by both sides of Government. This effects real 
people's lives and real people's jobs. Decisions are made with no 
consideration to the impact on smaller ISP's . As long as the super 
funds and the government shareholding in Telstra is ok.

Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big decision's.  Products plan 
to be in the market for years  and cant just be dropped because that 
network doesn't exist or now some data needs to be stored.

If there is any Polly's reading this before you give more money to 
struggling farmers trying to maintain unsustainable farms how about just 
not meddling with the rule's for CSP/ISP's  Most of us are sustainable 
if you leave us alone. We might even employ some people too.

Matt.



On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> The thing is.. until we're actually told what we need to do... there 
> is little point speculating about it... because it could be anything - 
> or nothing.
>
> CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.  Maillogs, well, that is 
> stupid since very few people use their ISP's email addresses these 
> days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.
>
> Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF...
>
> The whole proposal is stupid.  The funny thing is that is 200k (as 
> reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do), then we 
> could just torrent through that anyway, and the ISP wouldn't be able 
> to see it.
>
> I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch businesses 
> lose their minds if that happens.
>
> And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have to), then 
> the popularity of VPN's will just go off.
>
> It is like when they were using the hype of predators on the 
> internet... any self respecting non-idiot predator would be using a 
> VPN or TOR, and any not, is advertising to get caught (which they all 
> should be).
>
> Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am heavily against 
> pointless and unenforcible policies.
>
> I should do a video about this :)
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) 
> <terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au <mailto:terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Noggers,
>
>     What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the possible
>     legal requirements for data retention?
>
>     VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would be
>     discarding those as quickly as 2 years.
>
>     But mail logs?  Web clicks?  What scope are we talking about here?
>     How far will we possibly (be forced to) go?
>
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