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      The article indicates the government have consulted with ISP's No
      one consulted with us and im sure it's the same for most outside
      the gang.  So they only ask the ones that can most afford these
      changes.  Not every ISP has enough margin to building in all these
      types of systems (by September ?) Especially ones that do a lot of
      traffic on peers. We are scratching our heads how we capture
      metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer on a budget and then store it
      all.  <br>
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      We were planing on hireing another employee this month But now we
      may need to speed 100k+ on a data retention system by September
      perhaps I should reconsider. Yes a person's real job is at stake
      vs some data that perhaps might solve a crime perhaps ? <br>
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      I considered putting the carbon tax separately on hosting bills
      some years back until lawyers said it was to hard. Perhaps now
      it's time to consider at data retention levy.  Anyone else with me
      ?<br>
      <br>
      You know I originally started this email off with a bit of a joke
      about Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but I re-considered.
      This is such a serious subject and such a worry to smaller ISP's.
      Like with the NBN and other decisions made by both sides of
      Government. This effects real people's lives and real people's
      jobs. Decisions are made with no consideration to the impact on
      smaller ISP's . As long as the super funds and the government
      shareholding in Telstra is ok.  <br>
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      Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big decision's.  Products
      plan to be in the market for years  and cant just be dropped
      because that network doesn't exist or now some data needs to be
      stored. <br>
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      If there is any Polly's reading this before you give more money to
      struggling farmers trying to maintain unsustainable farms how
      about just not meddling with the rule's for CSP/ISP's  Most of us
      are sustainable if you leave us alone. We might even employ some
      people too. <br>
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      Matt.<br>
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      On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">The thing is.. until we're actually told what we
        need to do... there is little point speculating about it...
        because it could be anything - or nothing.
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        <div>CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.  Maillogs,
          well, that is stupid since very few people use their ISP's
          email addresses these days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.</div>
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        <div>Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF... </div>
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        <div>The whole proposal is stupid.  The funny thing is that is
          200k (as reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix
          (as I do), then we could just torrent through that anyway, and
          the ISP wouldn't be able to see it.</div>
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        <div>I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch
          businesses lose their minds if that happens.</div>
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        <div>And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have
          to), then the popularity of VPN's will just go off.</div>
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        <div>It is like when they were using the hype of predators on
          the internet... any self respecting non-idiot predator would
          be using a VPN or TOR, and any not, is advertising to get
          caught (which they all should be).</div>
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        <div>Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am
          heavily against pointless and unenforcible policies.</div>
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        <div>I should do a video about this :) </div>
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              ...Skeeve</div>
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              <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                  Stevens - </b><span
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                  Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry
          Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
            Noggers,<br>
            <br>
            What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the
            possible legal requirements for data retention?<br>
            <br>
            VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would
            be discarding those as quickly as 2 years.<br>
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            But mail logs?  Web clicks?  What scope are we talking about
            here? How far will we possibly (be forced to) go?<span
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