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The article indicates the government have consulted with ISP's No
one consulted with us and im sure it's the same for most outside
the gang. So they only ask the ones that can most afford these
changes. Not every ISP has enough margin to building in all these
types of systems (by September ?) Especially ones that do a lot of
traffic on peers. We are scratching our heads how we capture
metadata from 20+ gigabits of peer on a budget and then store it
all. <br>
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We were planing on hireing another employee this month But now we
may need to speed 100k+ on a data retention system by September
perhaps I should reconsider. Yes a person's real job is at stake
vs some data that perhaps might solve a crime perhaps ? <br>
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I considered putting the carbon tax separately on hosting bills
some years back until lawyers said it was to hard. Perhaps now
it's time to consider at data retention levy. Anyone else with me
?<br>
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You know I originally started this email off with a bit of a joke
about Proff and an Embassy in the preamble but I re-considered.
This is such a serious subject and such a worry to smaller ISP's.
Like with the NBN and other decisions made by both sides of
Government. This effects real people's lives and real people's
jobs. Decisions are made with no consideration to the impact on
smaller ISP's . As long as the super funds and the government
shareholding in Telstra is ok. <br>
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Smaller ISP's need to plan big moves and big decision's. Products
plan to be in the market for years and cant just be dropped
because that network doesn't exist or now some data needs to be
stored. <br>
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If there is any Polly's reading this before you give more money to
struggling farmers trying to maintain unsustainable farms how
about just not meddling with the rule's for CSP/ISP's Most of us
are sustainable if you leave us alone. We might even employ some
people too. <br>
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Matt.<br>
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On 5/08/2014 10:57 am, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The thing is.. until we're actually told what we
need to do... there is little point speculating about it...
because it could be anything - or nothing.
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<div>CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing. Maillogs,
well, that is stupid since very few people use their ISP's
email addresses these days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.</div>
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<div>Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF... </div>
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<div>The whole proposal is stupid. The funny thing is that is
200k (as reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix
(as I do), then we could just torrent through that anyway, and
the ISP wouldn't be able to see it.</div>
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<div>I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch
businesses lose their minds if that happens.</div>
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<div>And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have
to), then the popularity of VPN's will just go off.</div>
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<div>It is like when they were using the hype of predators on
the internet... any self respecting non-idiot predator would
be using a VPN or TOR, and any not, is advertising to get
caught (which they all should be).</div>
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<div>Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am
heavily against pointless and unenforcible policies.</div>
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<div>I should do a video about this :) </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry
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Noggers,<br>
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What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the
possible legal requirements for data retention?<br>
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VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would
be discarding those as quickly as 2 years.<br>
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But mail logs? Web clicks? What scope are we talking about
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