[AusNOG] (Meta-)Data Retention

Tue Aug 5 11:39:22 EST 2014

+eleventy.
If my job was to catch baddies, I would be slapping the government as 
hard as I could to get them to shut the hell up.
Any time this gets into the news, the chances of [dumb baddie] looking 
into VPN's or some other sort of strategy to get around the surveillance 
they can do easily goes up.
I mean I'd much rather the baddies conducted all their conversations in 
plain text emails or forums or whatever than running it through tor.
All I can see coming from this is a mountain of false positives and 
coming after people for looking at "Refused Classification" materials 
years after the fact.

IE somebody looked at a website with "violent sexual imagery" on it, 
govt now learns of website, they trawl the logs and fine/arrest anybody 
who visited it (or just keep that little nugget in case somebody gets 
uppity)
or something where the girls "look" under-age, The regulation for 
classification is on how old they look, not how old they are, or at 
least it used to be

As others have said, doing this kind of thing will make baddies harder 
to catch and make criminals out of the general population.

On 05/08/14 11:04, Robert Hudson wrote:
> This is very much like Conroy's Internet filter - the holes in the 
> plan are stupendously large. Â So large in fact that I was actually on 
> the ABC's 7:30 report demonstrating how simple it was to set up a VPN 
> with an endpoint outside the filter Â to bypass any sort of filtering 
> that was put in place.
>
> When and if this latest brainfart legislation comes in, people will do 
> exactly the same thing as we thought they'd do when the filter was 
> being proposed -those who are doing the wrong thing will go deeper 
> underground, and those who don't do the wrong thing will be 
> inconvenienced. Â All it will do (other than cause a lot of pain and 
> cost a lot of money) is push those who do wish to do the bad thing 
> into using technologies that make it harder for the government to 
> monitor their activities.
>
> That our national security "experts" can't see this concerns the shit 
> out of me - more than the proposed regulations, to be honest.
>
>
> On 5 August 2014 10:57, Skeeve Stevens 
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com 
> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
>     The thing is.. until we're actually told what we need to do...
>     there is little point speculating about it... because it could be
>     anything - or nothing.
>
>     CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing. Â Maillogs, well,
>     that is stupid since very few people use their ISP's email
>     addresses these days... most are on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.
>
>     Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF...Â
>
>     The whole proposal is stupid. Â The funny thing is that is 200k
>     (as reported) people are using VPN's to get to Netflix (as I do),
>     then we could just torrent through that anyway, and the ISP
>     wouldn't be able to see it.
>
>     I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's - watch
>     businesses lose their minds if that happens.
>
>     And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd have to),
>     then the popularity of VPN's will just go off.
>
>     It is like when they were using the hype of predators on the
>     internet... any self respecting non-idiot predator would be using
>     a VPN or TOR, and any not, is advertising to get caught (which
>     they all should be).
>
>     Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I am heavily
>     against pointless and unenforcible policies.
>
>     I should do a video about this :)Â
>
>
>     ...Skeeve
>
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>     On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO)
>     <terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au <mailto:terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi Noggers,
>
>         What thoughts and plans do people have in place for the
>         possible legal requirements for data retention?
>
>         VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no one would be
>         discarding those as quickly as 2 years.
>
>         But mail logs? Â Web clicks? Â What scope are we talking about
>         here? How far will we possibly (be forced to) go?
>
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