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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">+eleventy.<br>
If my job was to catch baddies, I would be slapping the government
as hard as I could to get them to shut the hell up.<br>
Any time this gets into the news, the chances of [dumb baddie]
looking into VPN's or some other sort of strategy to get around
the surveillance they can do easily goes up.<br>
I mean I'd much rather the baddies conducted all their
conversations in plain text emails or forums or whatever than
running it through tor.<br>
All I can see coming from this is a mountain of false positives
and coming after people for looking at "Refused Classification"
materials years after the fact.<br>
<br>
IE somebody looked at a website with "violent sexual imagery" on
it, govt now learns of website, they trawl the logs and
fine/arrest anybody who visited it (or just keep that little
nugget in case somebody gets uppity)<br>
or something where the girls "look" under-age, The regulation for
classification is on how old they look, not how old they are, or
at least it used to be<br>
<br>
As others have said, doing this kind of thing will make baddies
harder to catch and make criminals out of the general population.<br>
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On 05/08/14 11:04, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This is very much like Conroy's Internet filter -
the holes in the plan are stupendously large. Â So large in fact
that I was actually on the ABC's 7:30 report demonstrating how
simple it was to set up a VPN with an endpoint outside the
filter  to bypass any sort of filtering that was put in place.
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<div>When and if this latest brainfart legislation comes in,
people will do exactly the same thing as we thought they'd do
when the filter was being proposed -those who are doing the
wrong thing will go deeper underground, and those who don't do
the wrong thing will be inconvenienced. Â All it will do
(other than cause a lot of pain and cost a lot of money) is
push those who do wish to do the bad thing into using
technologies that make it harder for the government to monitor
their activities.</div>
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<div>That our national security "experts" can't see this
concerns the shit out of me - more than the proposed
regulations, to be honest.</div>
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On 5 August 2014 10:57, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">The thing is.. until we're actually told what
we need to do... there is little point speculating about
it... because it could be anything - or nothing.
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<div>CDR's are easy... we have that to do billing.
 Maillogs, well, that is stupid since very few people
use their ISP's email addresses these days... most are
on Gmail/Hotmail/etc.</div>
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<div>Web clicks.. that is a whole world of WTF... </div>
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<div>The whole proposal is stupid. Â The funny thing is
that is 200k (as reported) people are using VPN's to get
to Netflix (as I do), then we could just torrent through
that anyway, and the ISP wouldn't be able to see it.</div>
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<div>I'd love the government to try to intercept VPN's -
watch businesses lose their minds if that happens.</div>
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<div>And if they leave VPN's alone (which I imagine they'd
have to), then the popularity of VPN's will just go off.</div>
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<div>It is like when they were using the hype of predators
on the internet... any self respecting non-idiot
predator would be using a VPN or TOR, and any not, is
advertising to get caught (which they all should be).</div>
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<div>Personally, I am not anti-piracy protections, but I
am heavily against pointless and unenforcible policies.</div>
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<div>I should do a video about this :)Â </div>
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AM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO) <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Noggers,<br>
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What thoughts and plans do people have in place
for the possible legal requirements for data
retention?<br>
<br>
VoIP and PSTN CDRs are very much an easy-beat, no
one would be discarding those as quickly as 2
years.<br>
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But mail logs? Â Web clicks? Â What scope are we
talking about here? How far will we possibly (be
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