[AusNOG] Discussion point: Why aren't the NBNCo tails symmetric in speed?

Wed Apr 9 22:11:12 EST 2014

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On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Chris Gibbs
<Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au>wrote:

>  Hey Skeeve,
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> I suppose, given the amount of technical discussions explaining how it is
> possible, it logically leads on to instead being influence by internal
> decisions (or political) not to offer from day dot.
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> To me, looking at the rollout plan it seems NBN Co will be using
> 'residential' products as a somewhat pilot to bed down practises,
> operations and prove their initial assumptions.
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> The roadmap leads and builds upon, higher AVC speeds, better TC's,
> increased SLAs, improved OAM. These all lead to services more suited for
> business and eventually enterprise.
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> I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this approach, rather responding how
> I came to the conclusion of 'why' by looking at the 'when'.
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> Seems they may be following a somewhat tried and tested (if not dated)
> waterfall model of delivery or(/and) perhaps on boarding hundreds of
> thousands of residential services may be enough to chew off initially J
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> My 2 cents anyway.
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> *From:* Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 9 April 2014 9:39 PM
> *To:* Chris Gibbs
> *Cc:* ausnog at ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Discussion point: Why aren't the NBNCo tails
> symmetric in speed?
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> Hey Chris,
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> I wasn't asked 'when' they were doing it, but more 'why' they aren't doing
> it from day dot on the speeds they've chosen, which from what I understand,
> the GPON being rolled out is fully capable of.
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> ...Skeeve
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> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Chris Gibbs <
> Chris.Gibbs at gosford.nsw.gov.au> wrote:
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>  Hi Skeeve,
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> Depends if you can wait. NBN Co roadmap lists symmetrical services under
> Enterprise Ethernet Services. However, unfortunately not until 2016+.
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> http://www.nbnco.com.au/industry/service-providers/product-components/product-roadmap.html(2016+)
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> http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/initial-roadmap.pdf (provides
> more details but the one above has updated dates.
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> given that NBN Co didn't release the latest roadmap release, it will be
> interesting to see if this product sticks around.
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> Cheers,
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
> Stevens
> *Sent:* Monday, 7 April 2014 8:53 PM
> *To:*ausnog at ausnog.net
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Discussion point: Why aren't the NBNCo tails
> symmetric in speed?
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> Hey all,
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> I am sure this will spurn a healthy discussion... perhaps with conflicting
> views...
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> But I was wondering the other day 'Why aren't NBNCo tails sold as
> symmetric speeds?'
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> Considering:
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> - The transit the RSP buys is symmetric (nearly always)
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> - The network core of the RSP is symmetric
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> - The handoff to either NBNCo or an aggregator (and then NBNCo) is pretty
> much always symmetric
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> - The PoI's core is symmetric
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> - The fibre to the home is symmetric capable
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> - The NTU is just ethernet - symmetric
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> - Anything they plug into the NTU is symmetrical - ethernet
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> Google Fibre in the US is 1G/1G in speeds...
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> So... unless I am missing something obvious (always possible)... Why are
> NBNCo tails not sold as symmetrical speeds?
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> I am not sure why there is this artificial design in these products to
> make them asymmetric.  There doesn't seem to be any gain by doing this that
> I can think of.
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> Gone are the days of DSL like speeds and unbalanced design... even ATM was
> symmetrical.
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> Keen for peoples opinions.
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> ...Skeeve
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