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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Chris Gibbs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au" target="_blank">Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">







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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hey Skeeve,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I suppose, given the amount of technical discussions explaining how it is possible, it logically leads on to instead being influence
 by internal decisions (or political) not to offer from day dot.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">To me, looking at the rollout plan it seems NBN Co will be using ‘residential’ products as a somewhat pilot to bed down practises,
 operations and prove their initial assumptions.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The roadmap leads and builds upon, higher AVC speeds, better TC’s, increased SLAs, improved OAM. These all lead to services more
 suited for business and eventually enterprise.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with this approach, rather responding how I came to the conclusion of ‘why’ by looking at the ‘when’.</span></p>


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Seems they may be following a somewhat tried and tested (if not dated) waterfall model of delivery or(/and) perhaps on boarding hundreds
 of thousands of residential services may be enough to chew off initially </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My 2 cents anyway.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 April 2014 9:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Gibbs<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Discussion point: Why aren't the NBNCo tails symmetric in speed?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wasn't asked 'when' they were doing it, but more 'why' they aren't doing it from day dot on the speeds they've chosen, which from what I understand, the GPON being rolled out is fully capable of.</p>


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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Chris Gibbs <<a href="mailto:Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au" target="_blank">Chris.Gibbs@gosford.nsw.gov.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Skeeve,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Depends if you can wait. NBN Co roadmap lists symmetrical services under Enterprise Ethernet Services.
 However, unfortunately not until 2016+.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/industry/service-providers/product-components/product-roadmap.html" target="_blank">http://www.nbnco.com.au/industry/service-providers/product-components/product-roadmap.html</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/initial-roadmap.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/initial-roadmap.pdf</a>
 (provides more details but the one above has updated dates.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">given that NBN Co didn’t release the latest roadmap release, it will be interesting to see if this
 product sticks around.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
 AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 April 2014 8:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Discussion point: Why aren't the NBNCo tails symmetric in speed?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But I was wondering the other day 'Why aren't NBNCo tails sold as symmetric speeds?'</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The transit the RSP buys is symmetric (nearly always)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The handoff to either NBNCo or an aggregator (and then NBNCo) is pretty much always symmetric</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The PoI's core is symmetric</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The NTU is just ethernet - symmetric</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Google Fibre in the US is 1G/1G in speeds... </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So... unless I am missing something obvious (always possible)... Why are NBNCo tails not sold as symmetrical speeds?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not sure why there is this artificial design in these products to make them asymmetric.  There doesn't seem to be any gain by doing this that I can think of.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gone are the days of DSL like speeds and unbalanced design... even ATM was symmetrical.</p>
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The information contained in this email may be confidential. <br>You should only 
disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the 
information if you are authorised to do so. Gosford City Council does not 
represent, warrant or guarantee that the communication is free of errors, virus 
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<p><font face="Arial" color="#c0c0c0">Gosford City Council complies with the 
Privacy and <br>Personal Information Protection Act (1998). See Council's 
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