[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB

[Jake Anderson]

$47 per house covered at completion (600M/12.7M).
yup you can run fibre to everybody's house for $47 more out of the 
governments pocket than running VDSL.
Keep that in mind when you buy your $150 vdsl modem ;->


On 17/09/13 21:37, Nick Gale wrote:
> We do. On the current estimates the difference between the two plans 
> FTTN/FTTH is what 600 million over the life of the project. Chump 
> change over 10 years.
>
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> On 17 September 2013 19:34, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au 
> <mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>> wrote:
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>     So who pays the interest Nick?
>
>     *From:*Nick Gale [mailto:nickgale at gmail.com
>     <mailto:nickgale at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:13 PM
>     *To:* Paul Wallace
>     *Cc:* Robert Hudson; Tom Lanyon; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
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>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our own FTTB
>
>     Actually you have an error there. In both models the tax payer
>     pays nothing. The build is funded by govt debt.
>
>     Yes you end up paying it back but not through tax through service
>     charges.
>
>
>     Nick Gale
>
>     E: nick.gale at westernpower.com.au
>     <mailto:nick.gale at westernpower.com.au>
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>     On 17/09/2013, at 5:04 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au
>     <mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>> wrote:
>
>         Version 1...
>
>         TPG build it & if the offer is then low cost plus very fast,
>         people will buy it.
>
>         In those circumstances the tax payers pay nothing
>
>         In the Conroy model ...
>
>         The tax payers pay for 100%
>
>         All fresh competition, possibly including the TPG FTTB rollout
>         is banned
>
>         All copper is disconnected
>
>         All HFC is disconnected
>
>         .. thus allowing Mr Conroy to triple the price, provide lousy
>         service via 'the PMG-2" and you get the worlds most expensive
>         broadband.
>
>         *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On
>         Behalf Of *Robert Hudson
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:55 PM
>         *To:* Tom Lanyon
>         *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>         *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We'll do our
>         own FTTB
>
>         Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The NBNs price model
>         is, amongst other things, dependant on scale and the number of
>         premises connected. Reduce that number by a few million, and
>         the per-port price will rise significantly, and those in less
>         profitable areas ("the bush" as an example), won't have their
>         pricing subsidised by the commercially lucrative connections
>         (in "the city)".
>
>         On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM, "Tom Lanyon" <tom+ausnog at oneshoeco.com
>         <mailto:tom%2Bausnog at oneshoeco.com>> wrote:
>
>         On 17/09/2013, at 6:09 PM, Jake Anderson
>         <yahoo at vapourforge.com <mailto:yahoo at vapourforge.com>> wrote:
>         > On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale <nickgale at gmail.com
>         <mailto:nickgale at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         >> Are you saying we should have the ability for NBN
>         competitors? If so why?
>         >
>         > Because if you don't then private enterprise will build a
>         bunch of little fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for
>         anybody else to try to take market share with diminishing
>         returns, and as a bonus all those areas in "the bush"      
>         that the population as a whole is rather fond of won't get any
>         services at all because its not "economic" to do so.
>
>         None of which would be an issue, assuming that this is all
>         occurring in parallel to the NBN, right?
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