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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">$47 per house covered at completion
(600M/12.7M).<br>
yup you can run fibre to everybody's house for $47 more out of the
governments pocket than running VDSL.<br>
Keep that in mind when you buy your $150 vdsl modem ;-><br>
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On 17/09/13 21:37, Nick Gale wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We do. On the current estimates the difference
between the two plans FTTN/FTTH is what 600 million over the
life of the project. Chump change over 10 years. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2013 19:34, Paul
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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who pays the interest Nick?</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Nick Gale [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com"
target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Robert Hudson; Tom Lanyon; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says
TPG: We'll do our own FTTB</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually you have an error
there. In both models the tax payer pays
nothing. The build is funded by govt debt.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes you end up paying it back
but not through tax through service charges.</p>
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Nick Gale</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">E: <a
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On 17/09/2013, at 5:04 PM, Paul Wallace <<a
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1…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">TPG
build it & if the offer is then low cost
plus very fast, people will buy it.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
those circumstances the tax payers pay
nothing</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
the Conroy model …</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
tax payers pay for 100%</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
fresh competition, possibly including the
TPG FTTB rollout is banned</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
copper is disconnected</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
HFC is disconnected</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">..
thus allowing Mr Conroy to triple the price,
provide lousy service via ‘the PMG-2” and
you get the worlds most expensive broadband.</span></p>
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AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013
6:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Lanyon<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the
NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</span></p>
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<p>Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The
NBNs price model is, amongst other things,
dependant on scale and the number of premises
connected. Reduce that number by a few
million, and the per-port price will rise
significantly, and those in less profitable
areas ("the bush" as an example), won't have
their pricing subsidised by the commercially
lucrative connections (in "the city)".</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM,
"Tom Lanyon" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tom%2Bausnog@oneshoeco.com"
target="_blank">tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013, at 6:09
PM, Jake Anderson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com"
target="_blank">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com"
target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Are you saying we should have the
ability for NBN competitors? If so why?<br>
><br>
> Because if you don't then private
enterprise will build a bunch of little
fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for
anybody else to try to take market share
with diminishing returns, and as a bonus all
those areas in "the bush" that the
population as a whole is rather fond of
won't get any services at all because its
not "economic" to do so.<br>
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None of which would be an issue, assuming
that this is all occurring in parallel to
the NBN, right?<br>
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