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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">$47 per house covered at completion
      (600M/12.7M).<br>
      yup you can run fibre to everybody's house for $47 more out of the
      governments pocket than running VDSL.<br>
      Keep that in mind when you buy your $150 vdsl modem ;-><br>
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      On 17/09/13 21:37, Nick Gale wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">We do. On the current estimates the difference
        between the two plans FTTN/FTTH is what 600 million over the
        life of the project. Chump change over 10 years. </div>
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            <span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.7315px;border-collapse:collapse"><font
                face="Arial"><b>Nick Gale</b></font></span>
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                    face="Arial"><b><br>
                      T:</b> (08) 9425 5029<b><br>
                      E:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:nick.gale@westernpower.com.au"
                      style="color:rgb(6,88,181)" target="_blank">nick.gale@westernpower.com.au</a></font></span></div>
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              <div><b style="font-size:small;font-family:Arial">E:</b><font
                  face="Arial"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a></font></div>
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                    P</font><font color="#008000" face="Arial"> Please
                    consider the environment before you print this
                    email.</font> </span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2013 19:34, Paul
          Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au" target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
                    who pays the interest Nick?</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        Nick Gale [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>] <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:13 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Paul Wallace<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Robert Hudson; Tom Lanyon; <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                          target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a></span></p>
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says
                        TPG: We'll do our own FTTB</div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Actually you have an error
                        there. In both models the tax payer pays
                        nothing. The build is funded by govt debt.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Yes you end up paying it back
                        but not through tax through service charges.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        Nick Gale</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">E: <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:nick.gale@westernpower.com.au"
                            target="_blank">nick.gale@westernpower.com.au</a></p>
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                        On 17/09/2013, at 5:04 PM, Paul Wallace <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au"
                          target="_blank">paul.wallace@mtgi.com.au</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Version
                            1…</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">TPG
                            build it & if the offer is then low cost
                            plus very fast, people will buy it.</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
                            those circumstances the tax payers pay
                            nothing</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In
                            the Conroy model …</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
                            tax payers pay for 100%</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
                            fresh competition, possibly including the
                            TPG FTTB rollout is banned</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
                            copper is disconnected</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All
                            HFC is disconnected</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">..
                            thus allowing Mr Conroy to triple the price,
                            provide lousy service via ‘the PMG-2” and
                            you get the worlds most expensive broadband.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                              AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                                target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2013
                              6:55 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Tom Lanyon<br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                                target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Screw the
                              NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB</span></p>
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                        <p>Of course it has an impact on the NBN. The
                          NBNs price model is, amongst other things,
                          dependant on scale and the number of premises
                          connected. Reduce that number by a few
                          million, and the per-port price will rise
                          significantly, and those in less profitable
                          areas ("the bush" as an example), won't have
                          their pricing subsidised by the commercially
                          lucrative connections (in "the city)".</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013 6:47 PM,
                            "Tom Lanyon" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:tom%2Bausnog@oneshoeco.com"
                              target="_blank">tom+ausnog@oneshoeco.com</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 17/09/2013, at 6:09
                            PM, Jake Anderson <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:yahoo@vapourforge.com"
                              target="_blank">yahoo@vapourforge.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            > On 17/09/2013, at 5:14 PM, Nick Gale
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:nickgale@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">nickgale@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            >> Are you saying we should have the
                            ability for NBN competitors? If so why?<br>
                            ><br>
                            > Because if you don't then private
                            enterprise will build a bunch of little
                            fiefdoms where it will be uneconomical for
                            anybody else to try to take market share
                            with diminishing returns, and as a bonus all
                            those areas in "the bush"       that the
                            population as a whole is rather fond of
                            won't get any services at all because its
                            not "economic" to do so.<br>
                            <br>
                            None of which would be an issue, assuming
                            that this is all occurring in parallel to
                            the NBN, right?<br>
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