[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB

Tue Sep 17 13:55:54 EST 2013

I'm not sure that covers TPG in this case, they aren't rolling out new
fiber, they are merely connecting buildings to their existing network.

Anyway previous reply solves the problem, if a competitor is chosen as the
RSP/ISP TPG will still recover all the significant costs.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Grahame Lynch <
grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com> wrote:

> That's from the legislation that enables the NBN
>
>
> On 17 September 2013 10:52, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Where's that from, news to me!
>>
>> I'm sure TPG wouldn't care anyway, they'd just charge for the tail and
>> get their pound of flesh, they'd probably not care that the customer wasn't
>> theirs retail at the end of the day.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Grahame Lynch <
>> grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There can be no TPG monopoly under the current legislation which
>>> mandates all new 25Mbps+ links to be made available for open access (the
>>> anti cherry picking rules)
>>>
>>> I doubt if the Coalition have the Senate numbers to repeal that even if
>>> they sought to, currently.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 September 2013 10:44, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of
>>>> connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words,
>>>> sounds like a strawman argument.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been
>>>> offering FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they
>>>> don't use the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the
>>>> remaining buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted
>>>> similar in the comments for the OP link).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This will most likely have the effect of the government going
>>>>> "brilliant, private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy
>>>>> a competing infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end
>>>>> up stuck with a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also
>>>>> decide to over build into thoes same apartments - if they can)
>>>>>
>>>>> --Damian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called
>>>>>> fibre to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major
>>>>>> Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with the
>>>>>> new Coalition Government’s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the
>>>>>> National Broadband Network scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government’s NBN policy, fibre
>>>>>> will typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises.
>>>>>> Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood
>>>>>> ‘nodes’, and then use Telstra’s existing copper cable for the remainder of
>>>>>> the distance to premises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that a
>>>>>> Coalition Government would also examine so-called ‘fibre to the basement’
>>>>>> schemes, where fibre is extended to a building’s basement or other junction
>>>>>> point, and then the building’s existing copper cable is used to distribute
>>>>>> broadband to individual apartments or business premises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing
>>>>>> today, national broadband provider TPG — one of Australia’s largest ISPs
>>>>>> and telcos — revealed its own plans to skip the Government’s planned
>>>>>> rollout and leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive
>>>>>> fibre infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout
>>>>>> Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be
>>>>>> “leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network” to deploy “fibre to
>>>>>> the building” in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The ISP
>>>>>> has “500k units currently in design”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly
>>>>>> connected to its fibre network in metro areas,” the company added. “With
>>>>>> the evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps,
>>>>>> this will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband
>>>>>> services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to
>>>>>> 100Mbps packages including “unlimited” downloads and home phone line
>>>>>> rental, as well as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and
>>>>>> “standard” national calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further opportunities may come due to the company’s purchase of a
>>>>>> small amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become
>>>>>> available from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum
>>>>>> would give TPG “opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products”
>>>>>> to “further enhance” the company’s product suite. In its documents, TPG
>>>>>> specifically called out the service as having the potential to add value
>>>>>> for TPG customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible
>>>>>> for the company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre
>>>>>> termination point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG
>>>>>> would have been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor’s policy
>>>>>> would have prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most
>>>>>> cases. However, it is unclear what the Coalition’s view on the situation
>>>>>> would be. Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based
>>>>>> competition to the Coalition’s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be
>>>>>> possible TPG may be allowed — or even encouraged — to continue with the
>>>>>> deployment. It’s also unclear whether TPG would need to open its
>>>>>> infrastructure to competitive wholesale access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another
>>>>>> deployment along similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, is
>>>>>> already delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds<http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/03/sydney-mdu-vdsl-rollout-delivers-100mbps/>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *opinion/analysis*
>>>>>> Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously
>>>>>> comes as part of the company’s normal financial results briefing, I
>>>>>> strongly suspect it would not have been announced today unless the
>>>>>> Coalition won power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG
>>>>>> obviously smells the chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in
>>>>>> valuable areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an
>>>>>> opinion. But I’m sure y’all will post some opinions of your own below this
>>>>>> article ;)
>>>>>> Written by Renai LeMay <http://delimiter.com.au/author/renai/> on
>>>>>> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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