[AusNOG] Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB

Grahame Lynch grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com
Tue Sep 17 14:09:24 EST 2013 

This is what the legislation says:

*A network unit that belongs to a telecommunications network (other than
the national broadband network) must not be used to supply a fixed-line
carriage service if: *

*                (a)     the network is used, or is capable of being used,
to supply a superfast carriage service to customers, or prospective
customers, in Australia; and*
* *

*               (b)     no Layer 2 bitstream service is available for
supply to those customers or prospective customers using the network; and*
* *

*                (c)     the network came into existence, or was upgraded,
after 25 November 2010; and*
* *

*               (d)     the network unit is not used wholly to supply
carriage services to a single government or corporate end-user*.

*1)  This section applies to a network unit if:*

*                      (a)  the network unit is:*
* *

*                               (i)  part of the infrastructure of a
telecommunications network in Australia; or*
* *

*                              (ii)  used, or for use, in or in connection
with a telecommunications network in Australia; and*
* *

*                      (b)  the network is not the national broadband
network; and*
* *

*                      (c)  the network is used, or is capable of being
used, to supply a superfast carriage service to customers, or prospective
customers, in Australia; and*
* *

*                      (d)  no Layer 2 bitstream service is available for
supply to those customers or prospective customers using the network; and*
* *

*                      (e)  either:*
* *

*                               (i)  the network came into existence after
25 November 2010; or*
* *

*                              (ii)  the network was altered or upgraded
after 25 November 2010 and, as a result of the alteration or upgrade, the
network became capable of being used to supply a superfast carriage service
to customers, or prospective customers, in Australia; and*
* *

*                       (f)  the network unit is not used wholly to supply
carriage services to a single end-user, where that end-user is:*
* *

*                               (i)  a public body; or*
* *

*                              (ii)  a company.*

The legislation covers upgrades as well as new builds and specifies that a
Layer 2 bitstream service must be made available.



On 17 September 2013 10:55, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:

> I'm not sure that covers TPG in this case, they aren't rolling out new
> fiber, they are merely connecting buildings to their existing network.
>
> Anyway previous reply solves the problem, if a competitor is chosen as the
> RSP/ISP TPG will still recover all the significant costs.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Grahame Lynch <
> grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's from the legislation that enables the NBN
>>
>>
>> On 17 September 2013 10:52, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Where's that from, news to me!
>>>
>>> I'm sure TPG wouldn't care anyway, they'd just charge for the tail and
>>> get their pound of flesh, they'd probably not care that the customer wasn't
>>> theirs retail at the end of the day.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Grahame Lynch <
>>> grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There can be no TPG monopoly under the current legislation which
>>>> mandates all new 25Mbps+ links to be made available for open access (the
>>>> anti cherry picking rules)
>>>>
>>>> I doubt if the Coalition have the Senate numbers to repeal that even if
>>>> they sought to, currently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 September 2013 10:44, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Better TPG monopoly than Telstra. And it won't be a monopoly of
>>>>> connectivity, people would still be able to use copper. In other words,
>>>>> sounds like a strawman argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention its hardly different to Telstras HFC network.... lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway sounds like a great plan to me, TPG/PIPE etc etc have been
>>>>> offering FTTB to businesses for the past 5 years, I see no reason why they
>>>>> don't use the fiber they already have in the streets to hook up all the
>>>>> remaining buildings (somoene called Damien (is that you Damian?) posted
>>>>> similar in the comments for the OP link).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Damian Guppy <the.damo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This will most likely have the effect of the government going
>>>>>> "brilliant, private enterprise is stepping up here, we dont need to deploy
>>>>>> a competing infrastructure" and then thoes half million premises will end
>>>>>> up stuck with a monopoly controlled by TPG (unless iiNet / Telstra also
>>>>>> decide to over build into thoes same apartments - if they can)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Damian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Skeeve Stevens <
>>>>>> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/17/screw-nbn-says-tpg-well-fttb/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Screw the NBN, says TPG: We’ll do our own FTTB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National broadband company TPG has flagged plans to deploy so-called
>>>>>>> fibre to the basement infrastructure to some 500,000 apartments in major
>>>>>>> Australian capital cities, in a move which will compete directly with the
>>>>>>> new Coalition Government’s plans to conduct similar rollouts under the
>>>>>>> National Broadband Network scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under the incoming Coalition Federal Government’s NBN policy, fibre
>>>>>>> will typically not be extended all the way to home and business premises.
>>>>>>> Instead, the Government is planning to deploy fibre to neighbourhood
>>>>>>> ‘nodes’, and then use Telstra’s existing copper cable for the remainder of
>>>>>>> the distance to premises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communications Minister-elect Malcolm Turnbull has also stated that
>>>>>>> a Coalition Government would also examine so-called ‘fibre to the basement’
>>>>>>> schemes, where fibre is extended to a building’s basement or other junction
>>>>>>> point, and then the building’s existing copper cable is used to distribute
>>>>>>> broadband to individual apartments or business premises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, in documents associated with its financial results briefing
>>>>>>> today, national broadband provider TPG — one of Australia’s largest ISPs
>>>>>>> and telcos — revealed its own plans to skip the Government’s planned
>>>>>>> rollout and leverage its own fibre infrastructure to deploy FTTB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Courtesy of its existing PIPE Networks business, TPG has extensive
>>>>>>> fibre infrastructure in built-up areas of major capital cities throughout
>>>>>>> Australia. In its briefing documents, the company said it would be
>>>>>>> “leveraging and expanding our existing fibre network” to deploy “fibre to
>>>>>>> the building” in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The ISP
>>>>>>> has “500k units currently in design”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “The Group is planning to increase the number of buildings directly
>>>>>>> connected to its fibre network in metro areas,” the company added. “With
>>>>>>> the evolution of new technologies now enabling speeds of up to 100Mbps,
>>>>>>> this will enable the Group to commence offering very high-speed broadband
>>>>>>> services to its customers at ADSL2+ prices.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TPG noted in its briefing documents that it would be offering up to
>>>>>>> 100Mbps packages including “unlimited” downloads and home phone line
>>>>>>> rental, as well as a bundled Wi-Fi modem and unlimited local calls and
>>>>>>> “standard” national calls to landlines, for $69.99 per month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further opportunities may come due to the company’s purchase of a
>>>>>>> small amount of wireless spectrum in the 2.5GHz band, which will become
>>>>>>> available from October 2014. TPG noted that the acquisition of the spectrum
>>>>>>> would give TPG “opportunities to offer innovative, value-adding products”
>>>>>>> to “further enhance” the company’s product suite. In its documents, TPG
>>>>>>> specifically called out the service as having the potential to add value
>>>>>>> for TPG customers connected to FTTB or NBN offerings. It may be possible
>>>>>>> for the company to offer wireless services in-building from its fibre
>>>>>>> termination point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under the previous Labor administration, it is unlikely that TPG
>>>>>>> would have been allowed to pursue its FTTB plans, given that Labor’s policy
>>>>>>> would have prohibited private operators from overbuilding the NBN in most
>>>>>>> cases. However, it is unclear what the Coalition’s view on the situation
>>>>>>> would be. Turnbull has stated that he believes in infrastructure-based
>>>>>>> competition to the Coalition’s own NBN infrastructure, meaning it may be
>>>>>>> possible TPG may be allowed — or even encouraged — to continue with the
>>>>>>> deployment. It’s also unclear whether TPG would need to open its
>>>>>>> infrastructure to competitive wholesale access.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The news comes as Turnbull has recently highlighted another
>>>>>>> deployment along similar lines. The rollout, in a housing estate in Sydney, is
>>>>>>> already delivering 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speeds<http://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/03/sydney-mdu-vdsl-rollout-delivers-100mbps/>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *opinion/analysis*
>>>>>>> Very, very interesting move from TPG here, and although it obviously
>>>>>>> comes as part of the company’s normal financial results briefing, I
>>>>>>> strongly suspect it would not have been announced today unless the
>>>>>>> Coalition won power in the Federal Election several weeks ago. TPG
>>>>>>> obviously smells the chance here to get in first and deploy FTTB in
>>>>>>> valuable areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to go away and do some research on this one before forming an
>>>>>>> opinion. But I’m sure y’all will post some opinions of your own below this
>>>>>>> article ;)
>>>>>>> Written by Renai LeMay <http://delimiter.com.au/author/renai/> on
>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:54
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...Skeeve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>>>>>>> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ;  <http://twitter.com/networkceoau>
>>>>>>> linkedin.com/in/skeeve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> twitter.com/networkceoau ; blog: www.network-ceo.net
>>>>>>>
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