[AusNOG] GoodBye NBN

[Paul Wallace]

I agree ...

It's not logical to suggest that we should replace the copper network because it's flawed to then suggest that it's OK that the new network is flawed.

-P




From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Chard, Alex (RET-SYD)
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:56 AM
To: Peter Betyounan; Noel Butler
Cc: AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN

I can't agree with this argument. It's nothing to do with planning for the older generation.
The problems mentioned below are real problems. And they are not problems that are insurmountable.
They are problems that should be addressed.

Nobody here is saying 'stop the NBN rollout, old people can't cope with it' (or at least I hope they are not).
They are pointing out problems that need looking at.

But your assertion below is not valid, because cars with all these fancy new features that old people don't have the skills to use still go when you press the accelerator, and stop when you press the brake.
They have no broken features... and are 'backwards compatible' with old people :)

--Alex Chard

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Peter Betyounan
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:45 AM
To: Noel Butler
Cc: AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] GoodBye NBN

Again planning for the older generation not the current or next, it's like saying hey lets stop building more advance cars with parking assist, GPS, reverse parking sensors, fancy alarms because the older generation don't have the technical skills for them.


Regards,
Peter Betyounan

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net<mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:
On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 10:23 +1000, Robert Hudson wrote:
On 9 September 2013 10:15, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net<mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:

So, your landlines die after an hour of power outage now? find that hard to believe... sniff sniff, yes, troll day appears to have come early this week..

To be fair, many people with cordless phones (and there are lots) would start having issues pretty quickly into a power outage.  Sure, a corded phone may still work, but many people don't have them.

thats there problem, you can buy cheap wired sets for 10 bucks from places like Sams warehouse



and as for portable, how many old folk (70/80+) run around living on their mobiles. SFA thats how many.
just because the average person and their inner circles here live on the things, dont assume the rest of the population does as well.
and the elderly are the MOST and highest "at risk"   from this change.

My 88yo grandmother has a mobile phone that she answers more regularly than she answers her landline (which, FYI, has a cordless phone connected to it).  I'd suggest assumptions are bad no matter who's argument they're supporting. :)

Maybe so, my dad who's approaching 80 also has one,mum does not, and does not want one either, but none of his, or mum's friends do have one. I would expect people related to technical people may, but don't go assuming they all do, if I went up to the RSL on a packet out Saturday arvo and held a vote I'd be betting maybe only 10/20 might have one.



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