[AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based

Mon Nov 11 15:25:00 EST 2013

Which = 4 kinds since binary right?

On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Sean K. Finn <sean.finn at ozservers.com.au>wrote:

> +1 for 10 kinds of people.
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> With Ayden’s +1 and my +1 does that make it 100 kinds of people(s)?
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> -S.
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Beeson,
> Ayden
> *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2013 12:48 PM
> *To:* Phillip Grasso; Skeeve Stevens
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> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based
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> Some Certifications are getting much better IMO, Cisco are redo’ing all of
> their CCNP tests for example (and others I’m sure) to be much more
> practical, real world experience based. TSHOOT is one that has been
> completed, the entire cert test was a series of simulations with things
> wrong, you are told “this does not work” and have to find the problem. The
> answer consists of saying what device had the problem, and what it was and
> should be.
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> It was excellent, much better than my previous experiences (such as the
> old CCNA tests) with a string of theory questions that anybody with a good
> memory and notes can remember….
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> Also +1 for the 10 kinds of people, my old networks team leader had that
> in his signature for ages, it’s a great line.
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> Thanks,
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> *Ayden Beeson*
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> *On Behalf Of *Phillip Grasso
> *Sent:* Friday, 11 October 2013 1:32 PM
> *To:* Skeeve Stevens
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based
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> Degrees are optional in networking team. Obviously preferred but not
> required. We focus on quality individuals and we've got quiet a few without
> degrees or degrees in the non-computing areas.
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> I have mixed feelings about certifications, imho they don't carry the
> weight that they once did, with the proliferation of testking and the like,
> its entirely possible to get certification without experience, hard knocks
> and real lessons in engineering/operations.
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> If i had network engineer in my titled, i'd hopefully understand the
> statements below.
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> * 1+1 = 10; this makes sense to you and why.
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> * You understand how to IP subnet in your head, calculator not needed.
>  e.g. you know how many ip addresses in /22 without really thinking too
> hard.
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> If you understand below, You're probably more prepared to the required
> skills changes coming into the industry that was highlighted at the last
> Ausnog in the evolution of of a 'network engineer'
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> 0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004
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> None of the above is difficult or complicated concepts.
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> Very rarely are good people sitting around, unemployed or not paid their
> worth.... otherwise they wouldn't be good.  If they don't have common sense
> in life looking after themselves, they probably can't do it in their
> professional roles either.
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> There are also different kinds of people:
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> 1. Raw talent with some experience (no certs or degrees)
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> 2. Those who follow certification
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> 3. Those with degrees (often with certs) but rarely with any experience.
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> Personally, in our space, I place no value on degrees at all.. They're
> just not the kind of people we need.  In Networking, we do care about
> certs, or favour those willing to get them.  This is only partly about the
> skill aspect, and more about vendor partner requirements which can help
> with purchasing discounts and so on - but some certs are just very good,
> like the new Juniper JNC*S*P range... excellent exams.
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> The guys from 1. above are good, and in some fields, certs don't matter...
> but they're often the hardest working of all as they know they need to
> prove themselves.  The younger they are, the harder they are to manage.
>  Never think a $35k guy is a good deal... you will spend another $10k-$15k
> just in managing them.  Any GenY's and iGen's also come with their own
> particular way of (not) working, and management overheads.
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> Phillip... do you focus on a particular group, or does it depend on the
> role, or do you have some minimums?
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> ...Skeeve
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> *Skeeve Stevens - *eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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> skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; www.eintellegonetworks.com
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> Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve
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> facebook.com/eintellegonetworks ; linkedin.com/in/skeeve
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> twitter.com/theispguy ; blog: www.theispguy.com
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> The Experts Who The Experts Call
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> Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
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> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Google has plenty of roles available in Sydney<https://www.google.com/about/jobs/search/?#!t=jo&jid=31172&>for appropriate candidates.
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> We have roles in Network Engineering, Optical Transport Engineering, Unix
> System Administration, Networking Software Engineers, Network Surveillance
> all in Sydney waiting for the right candidates.
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> Its strange as we're having a hard time finding people, if you have anyone
> you know that is pretty awesome in the above, please tell them we're
> looking for great people to help us out.  Perk of employment is the free
> entry to our own monorail carriage ;-).
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> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Daniel Watson <daniel at glovine.com.au>
> wrote:
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> Gday Noggers
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> Thought I would take this opportunity to raise this thread again since I
> am still actively looking for a position in Melbourne,
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> I am currently seeking a junior based networking role / traineeship in the
> networking sector,
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> Possible government funding is available as an incentive,
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> If you would like to learn about any of my previous experience or have a
> chat please feel free to respond and I can send through my resume upon
> request.
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> Looking forward to hearing from you.
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> TIA
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> Daniel.
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> *From:* AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] on behalf of Daniel
> Watson [daniel at glovine.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:03 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based
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>  Gday Noggers,
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> I know this seems a bit odd, and not what this mailing list was designed
> for,  But would get the best exposure to the industry,
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> I was wondering if anybody based around SouthEast Melbourne or Melbourne
> CBD was looking at hiring an individual to join their team in the
> networking industry?
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> Looking for a junior based network/system administrator based roles
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> Please reply off-list if interested or require any further information
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> Regards
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> D.
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