<div dir="ltr">Which = 4 kinds since binary right?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Sean K. Finn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sean.finn@ozservers.com.au" target="_blank">sean.finn@ozservers.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">+1 for 10 kinds of people.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">With Ayden’s +1 and my +1 does that make it 100 kinds of people(s)?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-S.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Beeson, Ayden<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 11, 2013 12:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso; Skeeve Stevens</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some Certifications are getting much better IMO, Cisco are redo’ing all of their CCNP tests for example (and others I’m sure) to be much more practical, real world experience based. TSHOOT is one that has been completed, the entire cert test was a series of simulations with things wrong, you are told “this does not work” and have to find the problem. The answer consists of saying what device had the problem, and what it was and should be.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It was excellent, much better than my previous experiences (such as the old CCNA tests) with a string of theory questions that anybody with a good memory and notes can remember….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also +1 for the 10 kinds of people, my old networks team leader had that in his signature for ages, it’s a great line. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333">Ayden Beeson</span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 11 October 2013 1:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p><span lang="EN-AU">Degrees are optional in networking team. Obviously preferred but not required. We focus on quality individuals and we've got quiet a few without degrees or degrees in the non-computing areas. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">I have mixed feelings about certifications, imho they don't carry the weight that they once did, with the proliferation of testking and the like, its entirely possible to get certification without experience, hard knocks and real lessons in engineering/operations.  <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">If i had network engineer in my titled, i'd hopefully understand the statements below. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang="EN-AU">* 1+1 = 10; this makes sense to you and why. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">* You understand how to IP subnet in your head, calculator not needed.  e.g. you know how many ip addresses in /22 without really thinking too hard. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">If you understand below, You're probably more prepared to the required skills changes coming into the industry that was highlighted at the last Ausnog in the evolution of of a 'network engineer' <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU">0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span lang="EN-AU">None of the above is difficult or complicated concepts. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Very rarely are good people sitting around, unemployed or not paid their worth.... otherwise they wouldn't be good.  If they don't have common sense in life looking after themselves, they probably can't do it in their professional roles either.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">There are also different kinds of people:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">1. Raw talent with some experience (no certs or degrees)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">2. Those who follow certification<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">3. Those with degrees (often with certs) but rarely with any experience.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Personally, in our space, I place no value on degrees at all.. They're just not the kind of people we need.  In Networking, we do care about certs, or favour those willing to get them.  This is only partly about the skill aspect, and more about vendor partner requirements which can help with purchasing discounts and so on - but some certs are just very good, like the new Juniper JNC<b>S</b>P range... excellent exams.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">The guys from 1. above are good, and in some fields, certs don't matter... but they're often the hardest working of all as they know they need to prove themselves.  The younger they are, the harder they are to manage.  Never think a $35k guy is a good deal... you will spend another $10k-$15k just in managing them.  Any GenY's and iGen's also come with their own particular way of (not) working, and management overheads.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Phillip... do you focus on a particular group, or does it depend on the role, or do you have some minimums?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><br>
...Skeeve<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" target="_blank">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://twitter.com/theispguy" target="_blank">twitter.com/theispguy</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.theispguy.com/" target="_blank">www.theispguy.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img border="0"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f">The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Phillip Grasso <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Google has plenty of roles available in <a href="https://www.google.com/about/jobs/search/?#!t=jo&jid=31172&" target="_blank">Sydney</a> for appropriate candidates. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">We have roles in Network Engineering, Optical Transport Engineering, Unix System Administration, Networking Software Engineers, Network Surveillance all in Sydney waiting for the right candidates.  <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Its strange as we're having a hard time finding people, if you have anyone you know that is pretty awesome in the above, please tell them we're looking for great people to help us out.  Perk of employment is the free entry to our own monorail carriage ;-). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Daniel Watson <<a href="mailto:daniel@glovine.com.au" target="_blank">daniel@glovine.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Gday Noggers<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Thought I would take this opportunity to raise this thread again since I am still actively looking for a position in Melbourne,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I am currently seeking a junior based networking role / traineeship in the networking sector,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Possible government funding is available as an incentive,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">If you would like to learn about any of my previous experience or have a chat please feel free to respond and I can send through my resume upon request.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Looking forward to hearing from you.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">TIA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Daniel.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center">
<span lang="EN-AU"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] on behalf of Daniel Watson [<a href="mailto:daniel@glovine.com.au" target="_blank">daniel@glovine.com.au</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based</span><span lang="EN-AU"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gday Noggers,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I know this seems a bit odd, and not what this mailing list was designed for,  But would get the best exposure to the industry,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">I was wondering if anybody based around SouthEast Melbourne or Melbourne CBD was looking at hiring an individual to join their team in the networking industry?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Looking for a junior based network/system administrator based roles<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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