[AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based

Sean K. Finn sean.finn at ozservers.com.au
Mon Nov 11 15:10:53 EST 2013 

+1 for 10 kinds of people.

With Ayden's +1 and my +1 does that make it 100 kinds of people(s)?

-S.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Beeson, Ayden
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:48 PM
To: Phillip Grasso; Skeeve Stevens
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based

Some Certifications are getting much better IMO, Cisco are redo'ing all of their CCNP tests for example (and others I'm sure) to be much more practical, real world experience based. TSHOOT is one that has been completed, the entire cert test was a series of simulations with things wrong, you are told "this does not work" and have to find the problem. The answer consists of saying what device had the problem, and what it was and should be.

It was excellent, much better than my previous experiences (such as the old CCNA tests) with a string of theory questions that anybody with a good memory and notes can remember....

Also +1 for the 10 kinds of people, my old networks team leader had that in his signature for ages, it's a great line.

Thanks,
Ayden Beeson

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Phillip Grasso
Sent: Friday, 11 October 2013 1:32 PM
To: Skeeve Stevens
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based


Degrees are optional in networking team. Obviously preferred but not required. We focus on quality individuals and we've got quiet a few without degrees or degrees in the non-computing areas.

I have mixed feelings about certifications, imho they don't carry the weight that they once did, with the proliferation of testking and the like, its entirely possible to get certification without experience, hard knocks and real lessons in engineering/operations.

If i had network engineer in my titled, i'd hopefully understand the statements below.

* 1+1 = 10; this makes sense to you and why.

* You understand how to IP subnet in your head, calculator not needed.  e.g. you know how many ip addresses in /22 without really thinking too hard.



If you understand below, You're probably more prepared to the required skills changes coming into the industry that was highlighted at the last Ausnog in the evolution of of a 'network engineer'

0.2+0.1 = 0.30000000000000004



None of the above is difficult or complicated concepts.



Very rarely are good people sitting around, unemployed or not paid their worth.... otherwise they wouldn't be good.  If they don't have common sense in life looking after themselves, they probably can't do it in their professional roles either.

There are also different kinds of people:

1. Raw talent with some experience (no certs or degrees)
2. Those who follow certification
3. Those with degrees (often with certs) but rarely with any experience.

Personally, in our space, I place no value on degrees at all.. They're just not the kind of people we need.  In Networking, we do care about certs, or favour those willing to get them.  This is only partly about the skill aspect, and more about vendor partner requirements which can help with purchasing discounts and so on - but some certs are just very good, like the new Juniper JNCSP range... excellent exams.

The guys from 1. above are good, and in some fields, certs don't matter... but they're often the hardest working of all as they know they need to prove themselves.  The younger they are, the harder they are to manage.  Never think a $35k guy is a good deal... you will spend another $10k-$15k just in managing them.  Any GenY's and iGen's also come with their own particular way of (not) working, and management overheads.

Phillip... do you focus on a particular group, or does it depend on the role, or do you have some minimums?



...Skeeve

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Phillip Grasso <phillip.grasso at gmail.com<mailto:phillip.grasso at gmail.com>> wrote:
Google has plenty of roles available in Sydney<https://www.google.com/about/jobs/search/?#!t=jo&jid=31172&> for appropriate candidates.

We have roles in Network Engineering, Optical Transport Engineering, Unix System Administration, Networking Software Engineers, Network Surveillance all in Sydney waiting for the right candidates.

Its strange as we're having a hard time finding people, if you have anyone you know that is pretty awesome in the above, please tell them we're looking for great people to help us out.  Perk of employment is the free entry to our own monorail carriage ;-).


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Daniel Watson <daniel at glovine.com.au<mailto:daniel at glovine.com.au>> wrote:
Gday Noggers

Thought I would take this opportunity to raise this thread again since I am still actively looking for a position in Melbourne,

I am currently seeking a junior based networking role / traineeship in the networking sector,

Possible government funding is available as an incentive,

If you would like to learn about any of my previous experience or have a chat please feel free to respond and I can send through my resume upon request.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

TIA

Daniel.

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From: AusNOG [ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] on behalf of Daniel Watson [daniel at glovine.com.au<mailto:daniel at glovine.com.au>]
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Subject: [AusNOG] Looking for employees? Melbourne based
 Gday Noggers,

I know this seems a bit odd, and not what this mailing list was designed for,  But would get the best exposure to the industry,

I was wondering if anybody based around SouthEast Melbourne or Melbourne CBD was looking at hiring an individual to join their team in the networking industry?

Looking for a junior based network/system administrator based roles

Please reply off-list if interested or require any further information

Regards

D.

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