[AusNOG] More IP's for sale (/19 and /20's)

[McDonald Richards]

But surely to sell something implies ownership ;)

Macca
 

On 20/03/13 11:50 AM, "David Hughes" <david at hughes.com.au> wrote:

>
>Could you even class it as an asset as you never actually own the address
>space?   Perhaps treating it as revenue is a better option.
>
>
>David
>...
>
>On 20/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, McDonald Richards
><McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Purely out of curiosity how are folks treating the capital gains tax on
>>an
>> asset that, in theory, cost $0?
>> 
>> Macca
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/03/13 11:37 AM, "Joseph Goldman" <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Previous sales I have gotten ridiculous offers such as $2-5 per IP,
>>> which is where my second comment comes from.
>>> 
>>> People are more than welcome to bid lower then the perceived market
>>> rate, however there is a line of genuine offer and silly bidding. At
>>>the
>>> end of the day I take the best offer that has been presented to me.
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/13 11:11 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:38 +1000, Noel Butler wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:13 +1100, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>>>>>>   I have more IP's to sell. Please contact me off-list. /19 and
>>>>>>/20's
>>>>>> only. MAY be willing to split down to a /21 if you can bring a
>>>>>>second
>>>>>> buyer with you to take the whole /20.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Please, only serious bidders only. Please recognise current market
>>>>>> rates are $15+ per IP.
>>>>> whos market rate?
>>>> The "market rate", absent lots and lots of trading where prices for
>>>> trades can be seen and thus affect future trades, is whatever someone
>>>> will pay for it. I don't thing there is a market in that sense just
>>>>yet,
>>>> but one is certainly building.
>>>> 
>>>> What's interesting for me in the above quote (and don't get me wrong,
>>>> Joseph, I am not having a go at you) is the tone: "I have what you
>>>>need
>>>> and you'll buy on my terms". The terms suggested might have been
>>>>imposed
>>>> on Joseph by the actual seller, or they might be "tough talk" designed
>>>> to soften up potential buyers before they even enter negotiations. Or
>>>> they might be an indication that previous buyers have been so
>>>>desperate,
>>>> the Joseph now feels he can impose such terms with impunity.
>>>> 
>>>> I would love to know what Joseph ends up getting for the space :-)
>>>> 
>>>>> Thats 3 dollars per IP more than the few offers  I've had in recent
>>>>> weeks, including since my comment on similar thread late last week
>>>>> where
>>>> If those are offers, and not prices paid, then it rather suggests that
>>>> you are holding out for a higher price, which rather suggests that you
>>>> think you might get one :-)
>>>> 
>>>> All of the above is purest speculation from someone not involved in
>>>>the
>>>> IPv4 address market at all, of course.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, K.
>>>> 
>>> 
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