[AusNOG] More IP's for sale (/19 and /20's)

[Ed Hallett]

I believe in the UK, to 'purchase' property, you're only actually
purchasing a 100 year lease on it from the local lord...? Something like
that anyway.
Regardless, the lease itself is an asset. 

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Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] More IP's for sale (/19 and /20's)

But surely to sell something implies ownership ;)

Macca
 

On 20/03/13 11:50 AM, "David Hughes" <david at hughes.com.au> wrote:

>
>Could you even class it as an asset as you never actually own the
address
>space?   Perhaps treating it as revenue is a better option.
>
>
>David
>...
>
>On 20/03/2013, at 10:47 AM, McDonald Richards 
><McDonald.Richards at vocus.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Purely out of curiosity how are folks treating the capital gains tax 
>>on an  asset that, in theory, cost $0?
>> 
>> Macca
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/03/13 11:37 AM, "Joseph Goldman" <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>>> Previous sales I have gotten ridiculous offers such as $2-5 per IP, 
>>> which is where my second comment comes from.
>>> 
>>> People are more than welcome to bid lower then the perceived market

>>>rate, however there is a line of genuine offer and silly bidding. At 
>>>the  end of the day I take the best offer that has been presented to 
>>>me.
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/13 11:11 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:38 +1000, Noel Butler wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:13 +1100, Joseph Goldman wrote:
>>>>>>   I have more IP's to sell. Please contact me off-list. /19 and 
>>>>>>/20's  only. MAY be willing to split down to a /21 if you can 
>>>>>>bring a second  buyer with you to take the whole /20.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Please, only serious bidders only. Please recognise current 
>>>>>> market rates are $15+ per IP.
>>>>> whos market rate?
>>>> The "market rate", absent lots and lots of trading where prices for

>>>>trades can be seen and thus affect future trades, is whatever 
>>>>someone  will pay for it. I don't thing there is a market in that 
>>>>sense just yet,  but one is certainly building.
>>>> 
>>>> What's interesting for me in the above quote (and don't get me 
>>>>wrong,  Joseph, I am not having a go at you) is the tone: "I have 
>>>>what you need  and you'll buy on my terms". The terms suggested 
>>>>might have been imposed  on Joseph by the actual seller, or they 
>>>>might be "tough talk" designed  to soften up potential buyers before

>>>>they even enter negotiations. Or  they might be an indication that 
>>>>previous buyers have been so desperate,  the Joseph now feels he can

>>>>impose such terms with impunity.
>>>> 
>>>> I would love to know what Joseph ends up getting for the space :-)
>>>> 
>>>>> Thats 3 dollars per IP more than the few offers  I've had in 
>>>>> recent weeks, including since my comment on similar thread late 
>>>>> last week where
>>>> If those are offers, and not prices paid, then it rather suggests 
>>>> that you are holding out for a higher price, which rather suggests 
>>>> that you think you might get one :-)
>>>> 
>>>> All of the above is purest speculation from someone not involved in

>>>>the
>>>> IPv4 address market at all, of course.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, K.
>>>> 
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