[AusNOG] Peering in Melbourne: PIPE vs VIC-IX

[Chris]

Thanks everyone for your feedback, on and off list. Very informative :)

Chris


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:

> Routes you get vs routes you actually use is probably more of the question
> here. No doubt PIPE/equinix are far superior with total routes, but, and
> especially due to PIPE being in the ASPATH, in terms of useful routes WAIA
> definitely contains the important ones. With NBN coming possibly soon as
> well the amount of interconnects and peering will likely mean WAIA is in
> even more locations, and the cost savings will definitely start to add up.
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> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Peter Betyounan <
> peter at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
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>> Agreed. Pipe has dropped their game, Their NOC is more like "Can you let
>> us know what our issue is?" Price is not that competitive for the routes
>> you get peered though this is in NSW so it might be different in VIC.
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>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:
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>>> People commented on this recently, saying they saw 80/20 VICIX/PIPE, and
>>> similarly 80/20 EQUINIX/PIPE in Sydney, so I think the consensus generally
>>> might be that PIPE has been falling out of primary use.
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>>> It's certainly more in the spirit of an IX to go with WAIA as its not
>>> for profit, while PIPE is commercial and especially problematic for those
>>> with both PIPE transit and peering products (as we saw with a certain
>>> provider a few months ago). Maybe ATM its not so much of a problem, but
>>> down the track especially with NBN, there will definitely be conflicts of
>>> interest and therefore degredation possibilities.
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>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Citizen <hs.citizen at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hi all,
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>>>> We are a small ISP that has recently expanded our network to Melbourne
>>>> where we have a couple of transit feeds with different providers.
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>>>> We're now looking at joining one, or both of the peering exchanges
>>>> available: PIPE and VIC-IX (WAIA). PIPE used to be the obvious choice
>>>> but lately they seem to have been dwindling in popularity among
>>>> industry players. Certainly their participants list remains
>>>> considerably higher in number than VIC-IX's, but the loss of Vocus
>>>> last year is significant. We mostly serve residential customers, and
>>>> Akamai is probably the most significant gain for us - but they are
>>>> present on both.
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>>>> So I'd love to hear opinions from others in the industry, is it worth
>>>> going with both, or do you prefer one over the other?
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>>>> Is there anyone out there that has peering on both exchanges, and is
>>>> willing to share details on traffic spread?
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
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