<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks everyone for your feedback, on and off list. Very informative :)<br><br></div>Chris<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Routes you get vs routes you actually use is probably more of the question here. No doubt PIPE/equinix are far superior with total routes, but, and especially due to PIPE being in the ASPATH, in terms of useful routes WAIA definitely contains the important ones. With NBN coming possibly soon as well the amount of interconnects and peering will likely mean WAIA is in even more locations, and the cost savings will definitely start to add up.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Peter Betyounan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">peter@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Agreed. Pipe has dropped their game, Their NOC is more like "Can you let us know what our issue is?" Price is not that competitive for the routes you get peered though this is in NSW so it might be different in VIC. <div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">People commented on this recently, saying they saw 80/20 VICIX/PIPE, and similarly 80/20 EQUINIX/PIPE in Sydney, so I think the consensus generally might be that PIPE has been falling out of primary use.<div>
<br></div><div>It's certainly more in the spirit of an IX to go with WAIA as its not for profit, while PIPE is commercial and especially problematic for those with both PIPE transit and peering products (as we saw with a certain provider a few months ago). Maybe ATM its not so much of a problem, but down the track especially with NBN, there will definitely be conflicts of interest and therefore degredation possibilities.</div>
</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Citizen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hs.citizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">hs.citizen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
<br>
We are a small ISP that has recently expanded our network to Melbourne<br>
where we have a couple of transit feeds with different providers.<br>
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We're now looking at joining one, or both of the peering exchanges<br>
available: PIPE and VIC-IX (WAIA). PIPE used to be the obvious choice<br>
but lately they seem to have been dwindling in popularity among<br>
industry players. Certainly their participants list remains<br>
considerably higher in number than VIC-IX's, but the loss of Vocus<br>
last year is significant. We mostly serve residential customers, and<br>
Akamai is probably the most significant gain for us - but they are<br>
present on both.<br>
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So I'd love to hear opinions from others in the industry, is it worth<br>
going with both, or do you prefer one over the other?<br>
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Is there anyone out there that has peering on both exchanges, and is<br>
willing to share details on traffic spread?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Chris<br>
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