[AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Mon Jul 8 18:47:16 EST 2013
I asked last week as part of customer negotiations. Both told me they
are "investigating" however can be done by web page or support call.
It's possible im talking to the wrong people as other's have told me
that both do have bgp announced RTBH. Would love to get the contact's
so can get a definitive yea/nae
. On 8/07/13 5:36 PM, Chris Chaundy wrote:
> As does Nextgen...
>
> Does anyone know more about the Telstra and Optus RTBH options? Last
> time I asked, you had to do it through a support call or web page (I
> don't class this as RTBH :-).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Ankur Puri <Ankur.Puri at au.ntt.com
> <mailto:Ankur.Puri at au.ntt.com>> wrote:
>
> NTT supports RTBH and active mitigation as well.
>
> Regards
> Ankur Puri
> Global Wholesale Manager
> NTT Australia Pty Ltd
>
> From: James Braunegg <james.braunegg at micron21.com
> <mailto:james.braunegg at micron21.com>>
> Date: Monday, 8 July 2013 4:05 PM
> To: Matt Perkins <matt at spectrum.com.au
> <mailto:matt at spectrum.com.au>>, "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> Both Optus and Telstra support RTBH … at least that’s what my new
> Telstra and Optus contract say…
>
> Kindest Regards**
>
> *James Braunegg
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> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf
> Of *Matt Perkins
> *Sent:* Monday, July 08, 2013 3:55 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> An update on bgp blackwholeing. I asked some transits recently
> this exact question. Here's a summary of there responses.
>
> Telstra: We are considering it. Do you want to buy our arbor package.
> Optus: Good idea we will consider it. Do you want to buy our arbor
> Vocus: Do it and you can buy our arbor package.
> Pipe & Pipe IX. Do it and i have tested.
> AAPT: Confusion followed by a no.
>
>
> Matt.
>
>
>
> On 8/07/13 3:45 PM, Craig Askings wrote:
>
> I'm not aware of any, but you do have companies like Vocus.
> Who do accept blackhole bgp communities and have Arbor kit
> within their own network that will pickup on attacks.
>
> I've personally seen it detect and suppress attacks on my
> previous employer's transit connection with Vocus in the 5-10
> minute range from the start of the attack.
>
> The most effect way of avoiding DDoS attacks in Australia is
> to not have Game Servers, IRC servers or gambling operations
> hosted on your network.
>
> Craig.
>
> On 08/07/2013, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Thorpe
> <jthorpe at Conexim.com.au <mailto:jthorpe at Conexim.com.au>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Probably a good time to ask – who supports FlowSpec
> advertisements?
>
> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <mailto:bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]*On Behalf Of*Craig Askings
> *Sent:*Monday, 8 July 2013 3:33 PM
> *To:*Zone Networks - Joel Nath
> *Cc:*ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:*Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> Agreed, if you want to manage DDoS attacks you really want:
>
> 1) Juniper MX out front with BGP flowspec enabled on it.
>
> 2) Some tool to identify said DDoS and generate the flowspec
> rule to match it. (Arbor?)
>
> 3) Upstream providers who can automatically sink said traffic
> at their borders.
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec
>
> On 08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, "Zone Networks - Joel Nath"
> <joel at zonenetworks.com.au <mailto:joel at zonenetworks.com.au>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Firewall wont help protect you against DDOS, especially
> anything that is software based
>
> Srx 3400 + might help abit as its ASIC but a decent SYN flood
> will take it out as well.
>
> Regards
> Joel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <mailto:bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Alex Samad -
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks to everyone that has given me feedback, definitely
> seems like juniper is the router of choice.
> This is still early days for me... more of a fact finding mission
>
> One of the design choices I am looking at.
>
> It seems like there are units capable of looking after (in 1
> HA setup) both Internet FW and internet FW.
>
> Currently I am using some cisco 2600's for my ext routers ...
> ie WAN ... BGP and basic ACL's
>
> The original idea was to replicate this, so outside routers,
> Internet FW and internal FW with similar setup
>
> The main reason for that is that a DDOS or any attack via BGP
> can only attack our outside routers. Thus reducing our foot
> print our external FW is exposed to the outside world.
>
> More background, we provide our product via the internet and
> via private connections (leased lines of sorts, premium service ).
>
> What we are trying to avoid with separate devices is internet
> issues affecting premium services. And to some extend our
> internal traffic.
>
> So I have thrown my eye over at the srx 550 and find it (and
> it seems other models / manufactures) provide virtual
> routers/domains Is this enough to protect a FW device.
>
> So if I replace my external routers and internet FW and
> internet FW, with a SRX550 am I leaving myself open to the cpu
> of the device being taken up with BGP process or DDOS from the
> internet ... etc etc.
>
>
> Thanks
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Andrew Jones
> Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 2:47 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> I have quite a few SRX clusters running, and find them very
> reliable
> in general. Most of the issues which were there earlier have
> been sorted out.
> "Commit rollback", which used not to be available in earlier
> versions
> of junos when clustering was enabled now works as well, which
> is a big
> plus in my book.
>
>
>
> On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
>
>
> Lol never worked with clustering.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> +1.
>
> Juniper clustering was developed, coded, and not tested by Satan
> himself.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Braunegg
> <james.braunegg at micron21.com
> <mailto:james.braunegg at micron21.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> I like the Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600 firewalls the nice things
> about these is you can run per device redundant routing engines,
> both of these support hardware line rate 10gbit ports and are full
> ASIC based.
>
> If you don't actually need 10gbit throughput you could look at the
> SRX 650 which can support 10gbit ports but all processing is done
> in software not in ASIC
>
> Juniper had some issues with clustering the SRX in the early days
> but these seem to be all but gone now...
>
> That being said I still avoid clustering where possible and much
> prefer two single devices not linked in anyway other than standard
> routing protocols.
>
> Juniper also has a fantastic CLI … one of the best I've ever used.
>
> Do you have a budget in mind ?
>
> Kindest Regards
>
> James Braunegg
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> Subject: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>
> Hi
>
> Was wondering what the groups thoughts where on sonicwall and
>
> maybe
>
>
> in relation to juniper.
>
> Most of my experience has been with Cisco and linux
> (firewalls)
>
> In particular I am looking at
>
> Exterior FW (facing internet)
>
> Or
>
> Interior FW (not facing Internet)
>
> Like to have a cluster (HA setup)
>
> Like to have min 2 x 10G fibre ports per dev and some
> 1G ports
>
> Don't need any sort of deep packet inspection
>
> I prefer CLI, my initial googling seems to suggest
> sonic is not
> very cli friendly at all
>
> Again my initial investigation leads me to NSA 5600
> (or NSA 6600),
> not sure what the comparably Juniper might be.
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex
>
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