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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I asked last week as part of customer
negotiations. Both told me they are "investigating" however can be
done by web page or support call. <br>
It's possible im talking to the wrong people as other's have told
me that both do have bgp announced RTBH. Would love to get the
contact's so can get a definitive yea/nae<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
. On 8/07/13 5:36 PM, Chris Chaundy wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As does Nextgen...<br>
<br>
Does anyone know more about the Telstra and Optus RTBH options?
Last time I asked, you had to do it through a support call or
web page (I don't class this as RTBH :-).<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Ankur
Puri <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Ankur.Puri@au.ntt.com" target="_blank">Ankur.Puri@au.ntt.com</a>></span>
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<div>NTT supports RTBH and active mitigation as well.</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Ankur Puri</div>
<div>Global Wholesale Manager</div>
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<div>NTT Australia Pty Ltd</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, 8
July 2013 4:05 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Matt
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Both
Optus and Telstra support
</span><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">RTBH
… at least that’s what my new Telstra and
Optus contract say…</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Kindest
Regards</span><b><span
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AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Perkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 08, 2013
3:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Q
sonicwall and juniper</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An update on bgp
blackwholeing. I asked some transits
recently this exact question. Here's a
summary of there responses.
<br>
<br>
Telstra: We are considering it. Do you
want to buy our arbor package. <br>
Optus: Good idea we will consider it. Do
you want to buy our arbor <br>
Vocus: Do it and you can buy our arbor
package. <br>
Pipe & Pipe IX. Do it and i have
tested. <br>
AAPT: Confusion followed by a no. <br>
<br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/07/13 3:45 PM, Craig Askings wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not aware of any,
but you do have companies like Vocus. Who
do accept blackhole bgp communities and
have Arbor kit within their own network
that will pickup on attacks.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've personally seen
it detect and suppress attacks on my
previous employer's transit connection
with Vocus in the 5-10 minute range from
the start of the attack.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The most effect way
of avoiding DDoS attacks in Australia is
to not have Game Servers, IRC servers or
gambling operations hosted on your
network.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Craig.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 08/07/2013, at
3:40 PM, Jonathan Thorpe <<a
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href="mailto:jthorpe@Conexim.com.au"
target="_blank">jthorpe@Conexim.com.au</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"
lang="EN-AU">Probably a good
time to ask – who supports
FlowSpec advertisements?</span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">AusNOG [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog"
target="_blank">mailto:ausnog</a>-<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>]<span> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Craig
Askings<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday,
8 July 2013 3:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Zone
Networks - Joel Nath<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
[AusNOG] Q sonicwall and
juniper</span><span
lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Agreed, if you want
to manage DDoS attacks you
really want:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">1) Juniper MX out
front with BGP flowspec
enabled on it. </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">2) Some tool to
identify said DDoS and
generate the flowspec rule to
match it. (Arbor?)</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">3) Upstream
providers who can
automatically sink said
traffic at their borders.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-AU"><a
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target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">On
08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM,
"Zone Networks - Joel
Nath" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joel@zonenetworks.com.au"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">joel@zonenetworks.com.au</span></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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lang="EN-AU"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Firewall wont
help protect you against
DDOS, especially anything
that is software based<br>
<br>
Srx 3400 + might help abit
as its ASIC but a decent SYN
flood will take it out as
well.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Joel<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: AusNOG [<a
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On Behalf Of Alex Samad -
Yieldbroker<br>
Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013
3:19 PM<br>
To:<span> </span><a
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href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q
sonicwall and juniper<br>
<br>
Hi<br>
<br>
Thanks to everyone that has
given me feedback,
definitely seems like
juniper is the router of
choice.<br>
This is still early days for
me... more of a fact finding
mission<br>
<br>
One of the design choices I
am looking at.<span> </span><br>
<br>
It seems like there are
units capable of looking
after (in 1 HA setup) both
Internet FW and internet
FW.<br>
<br>
Currently I am using some
cisco 2600's for my ext
routers ... ie WAN ... BGP
and basic ACL's<br>
<br>
The original idea was to
replicate this, so outside
routers, Internet FW and
internal FW with similar
setup<br>
<br>
The main reason for that is
that a DDOS or any attack
via BGP can only attack our
outside routers. Thus
reducing our foot print our
external FW is exposed to
the outside world.<br>
<br>
More background, we provide
our product via the internet
and via private connections
(leased lines of sorts,
premium service ).<br>
<br>
What we are trying to avoid
with separate devices is
internet issues affecting
premium services. And to
some extend our internal
traffic.<br>
<br>
So I have thrown my eye over
at the srx 550 and find it
(and it seems other models /
manufactures) provide
virtual routers/domains Is
this enough to protect a FW
device.<br>
<br>
So if I replace my external
routers and internet FW and
internet FW, with a SRX550
am I leaving myself open to
the cpu of the device being
taken up with BGP process or
DDOS from the internet ...
etc etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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Message-----<br>
From: AusNOG [<a
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On Behalf Of<span> </span><br>
Andrew Jones<br>
Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013
2:47 PM<br>
To:<span> </span><a
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href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q
sonicwall and juniper<br>
<br>
I have quite a few SRX
clusters running, and find
them very reliable<span> </span><br>
in general. Most of the
issues which were there
earlier have been sorted
out.<br>
"Commit rollback", which
used not to be available in
earlier versions<span> </span><br>
of junos when clustering was
enabled now works as well,
which is a big<span> </span><br>
plus in my book.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan
Finnesey wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">Lol never
worked with clustering.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM,
"Skeeve Stevens"<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">+1.<br>
<br>
Juniper clustering was
developed, coded, and not
tested by Satan<span> </span><br>
himself.<br>
<br>
...Skeeve<br>
<br>
SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego
Networks Pty Ltd<br>
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The Experts Who The Experts
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47
AM, James Braunegg<span> </span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-AU">I like the
Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600
firewalls the nice things<span> </span><br>
about these is you can run
per device redundant routing
engines,<span> </span><br>
both of these support
hardware line rate 10gbit
ports and are full<span> </span><br>
ASIC based.<br>
<br>
If you don't actually need
10gbit throughput you could
look at the<span> </span><br>
SRX 650 which can support
10gbit ports but all
processing is done<span> </span><br>
in software not in ASIC<br>
<br>
Juniper had some issues with
clustering the SRX in the
early days<span> </span><br>
but these seem to be all but
gone now...<br>
<br>
That being said I still
avoid clustering where
possible and much<span> </span><br>
prefer two single devices
not linked in anyway other
than standard<span> </span><br>
routing protocols.<br>
<br>
Juniper also has a fantastic
CLI … one of the best I've
ever used.<br>
<br>
Do you have a budget in mind
?<br>
<br>
Kindest Regards<br>
<br>
James Braunegg<br>
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lang="EN-AU">in relation
to juniper.<br>
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Most of my experience
has been with Cisco and
linux (firewalls)<br>
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In particular I am
looking at<br>
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Exterior FW (facing
internet)<br>
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Or<br>
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Interior FW (not facing
Internet)<br>
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Like to have a cluster
(HA setup)<br>
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Like to have min 2 x 10G
fibre ports per dev and
some 1G ports<br>
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Don't need any sort of
deep packet inspection<br>
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I prefer CLI, my initial
googling seems to
suggest sonic is not<span> </span><br>
very cli friendly at all<br>
<br>
Again my initial
investigation leads me
to NSA 5600 (or NSA
6600),<span> </span><br>
not sure what the
comparably Juniper might
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