[AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
Matt Perkins
matt at spectrum.com.au
Mon Jul 8 15:55:10 EST 2013
An update on bgp blackwholeing. I asked some transits recently this
exact question. Here's a summary of there responses.
Telstra: We are considering it. Do you want to buy our arbor package.
Optus: Good idea we will consider it. Do you want to buy our arbor
Vocus: Do it and you can buy our arbor package.
Pipe & Pipe IX. Do it and i have tested.
AAPT: Confusion followed by a no.
Matt.
On 8/07/13 3:45 PM, Craig Askings wrote:
> I'm not aware of any, but you do have companies like Vocus. Who do
> accept blackhole bgp communities and have Arbor kit within their own
> network that will pickup on attacks.
>
> I've personally seen it detect and suppress attacks on my previous
> employer's transit connection with Vocus in the 5-10 minute range from
> the start of the attack.
>
> The most effect way of avoiding DDoS attacks in Australia is to not
> have Game Servers, IRC servers or gambling operations hosted on your
> network.
>
> Craig.
>
>
> On 08/07/2013, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Thorpe <jthorpe at Conexim.com.au
> <mailto:jthorpe at Conexim.com.au>> wrote:
>
>> Probably a good time to ask -- who supports FlowSpec advertisements?
>> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> <mailto:bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]*On Behalf Of*Craig Askings
>> *Sent:*Monday, 8 July 2013 3:33 PM
>> *To:*Zone Networks - Joel Nath
>> *Cc:*ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>> Agreed, if you want to manage DDoS attacks you really want:
>> 1) Juniper MX out front with BGP flowspec enabled on it.
>> 2) Some tool to identify said DDoS and generate the flowspec rule to
>> match it. (Arbor?)
>> 3) Upstream providers who can automatically sink said traffic at
>> their borders.
>> http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec
>> On 08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, "Zone Networks - Joel Nath"
>> <joel at zonenetworks.com.au <mailto:joel at zonenetworks.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Firewall wont help protect you against DDOS, especially anything that
>> is software based
>>
>> Srx 3400 + might help abit as its ASIC but a decent SYN flood will
>> take it out as well.
>>
>> Regards
>> Joel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> <mailto:bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker
>> Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 3:19 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Thanks to everyone that has given me feedback, definitely seems like
>> juniper is the router of choice.
>> This is still early days for me... more of a fact finding mission
>>
>> One of the design choices I am looking at.
>>
>> It seems like there are units capable of looking after (in 1 HA
>> setup) both Internet FW and internet FW.
>>
>> Currently I am using some cisco 2600's for my ext routers ... ie WAN
>> ... BGP and basic ACL's
>>
>> The original idea was to replicate this, so outside routers, Internet
>> FW and internal FW with similar setup
>>
>> The main reason for that is that a DDOS or any attack via BGP can
>> only attack our outside routers. Thus reducing our foot print our
>> external FW is exposed to the outside world.
>>
>> More background, we provide our product via the internet and via
>> private connections (leased lines of sorts, premium service ).
>>
>> What we are trying to avoid with separate devices is internet issues
>> affecting premium services. And to some extend our internal traffic.
>>
>> So I have thrown my eye over at the srx 550 and find it (and it seems
>> other models / manufactures) provide virtual routers/domains Is
>> this enough to protect a FW device.
>>
>> So if I replace my external routers and internet FW and internet FW,
>> with a SRX550 am I leaving myself open to the cpu of the device being
>> taken up with BGP process or DDOS from the internet ... etc etc.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
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>> Andrew Jones
>> Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 2:47 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>>
>> I have quite a few SRX clusters running, and find them very reliable
>> in general. Most of the issues which were there earlier have been
>> sorted out.
>> "Commit rollback", which used not to be available in earlier versions
>> of junos when clustering was enabled now works as well, which is a big
>> plus in my book.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
>>
>> Lol never worked with clustering.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"
>> <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
>> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> Juniper clustering was developed, coded, and not tested by Satan
>> himself.
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
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>>
>> The Experts Who The Experts Call
>> Juniper - Cisco - Cloud
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Braunegg
>> <james.braunegg at micron21.com <mailto:james.braunegg at micron21.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like the Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600 firewalls the nice things
>> about these is you can run per device redundant routing engines,
>> both of these support hardware line rate 10gbit ports and are full
>> ASIC based.
>>
>> If you don't actually need 10gbit throughput you could look at the
>> SRX 650 which can support 10gbit ports but all processing is done
>> in software not in ASIC
>>
>> Juniper had some issues with clustering the SRX in the early days
>> but these seem to be all but gone now...
>>
>> That being said I still avoid clustering where possible and much
>> prefer two single devices not linked in anyway other than standard
>> routing protocols.
>>
>> Juniper also has a fantastic CLI ... one of the best I've ever used.
>>
>> Do you have a budget in mind ?
>>
>> Kindest Regards
>>
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>> Subject: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Was wondering what the groups thoughts where on sonicwall and
>> maybe
>>
>> in relation to juniper.
>>
>> Most of my experience has been with Cisco and linux (firewalls)
>>
>> In particular I am looking at
>>
>> Exterior FW (facing internet)
>>
>> Or
>>
>> Interior FW (not facing Internet)
>>
>> Like to have a cluster (HA setup)
>>
>> Like to have min 2 x 10G fibre ports per dev and some 1G ports
>>
>> Don't need any sort of deep packet inspection
>>
>> I prefer CLI, my initial googling seems to suggest sonic is not
>> very cli friendly at all
>>
>> Again my initial investigation leads me to NSA 5600 (or NSA
>> 6600),
>> not sure what the comparably Juniper might be.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alex
>>
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