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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">An update on bgp blackwholeing. I
asked some transits recently this exact question. Here's a summary
of there responses. <br>
<br>
Telstra: We are considering it. Do you want to buy our arbor
package. <br>
Optus: Good idea we will consider it. Do you want to buy our arbor
<br>
Vocus: Do it and you can buy our arbor package. <br>
Pipe & Pipe IX. Do it and i have tested. <br>
AAPT: Confusion followed by a no. <br>
<br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/07/13 3:45 PM, Craig Askings wrote:<br>
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<base href="x-msg://1403/">I'm not aware of any, but you do have
companies like Vocus. Who do accept blackhole bgp communities and
have Arbor kit within their own network that will pickup on
attacks.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've personally seen it detect and suppress attacks on my
previous employer's transit connection with Vocus in the 5-10
minute range from the start of the attack.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The most effect way of avoiding DDoS attacks in Australia is
to not have Game Servers, IRC servers or gambling operations
hosted on your network.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Craig.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 08/07/2013, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Thorpe <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jthorpe@Conexim.com.au">jthorpe@Conexim.com.au</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Probably a
good time to ask – who supports FlowSpec
advertisements?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; " lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif; " lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog">mailto:ausnog</a>-<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Craig
Askings<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
8 July 2013 3:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Zone
Networks - Joel Nath<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Agreed, if
you want to manage DDoS attacks you really want:<o:p></o:p></div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">1) Juniper
MX out front with BGP flowspec enabled on it. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">2) Some
tool to identify said DDoS and generate the flowspec
rule to match it. (Arbor?)<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">3) Upstream
providers who can automatically sink said traffic at
their borders.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a
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href="http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.slideshare.net/sfouant/an-introduction-to-bgp-flow-spec</a><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On
08/07/2013, at 3:27 PM, "Zone Networks - Joel
Nath" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joel@zonenetworks.com.au"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline; ">joel@zonenetworks.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Firewall
wont help protect you against DDOS, especially
anything that is software based<br>
<br>
Srx 3400 + might help abit as its ASIC but a
decent SYN flood will take it out as well.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Joel<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
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Behalf Of Alex Samad - Yieldbroker<br>
Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 3:19 PM<br>
To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br>
<br>
Hi<br>
<br>
Thanks to everyone that has given me feedback,
definitely seems like juniper is the router of
choice.<br>
This is still early days for me... more of a fact
finding mission<br>
<br>
One of the design choices I am looking at.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
It seems like there are units capable of looking
after (in 1 HA setup) both Internet FW and
internet FW.<br>
<br>
Currently I am using some cisco 2600's for my ext
routers ... ie WAN ... BGP and basic ACL's<br>
<br>
The original idea was to replicate this, so
outside routers, Internet FW and internal FW with
similar setup<br>
<br>
The main reason for that is that a DDOS or any
attack via BGP can only attack our outside
routers. Thus reducing our foot print our external
FW is exposed to the outside world.<br>
<br>
More background, we provide our product via the
internet and via private connections (leased lines
of sorts, premium service ).<br>
<br>
What we are trying to avoid with separate devices
is internet issues affecting premium services. And
to some extend our internal traffic.<br>
<br>
So I have thrown my eye over at the srx 550 and
find it (and it seems other models / manufactures)
provide virtual routers/domains Is this enough
to protect a FW device.<br>
<br>
So if I replace my external routers and internet
FW and internet FW, with a SRX550 am I leaving
myself open to the cpu of the device being taken
up with BGP process or DDOS from the internet ...
etc etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br>
<br>
I have quite a few SRX clusters running, and find
them very reliable<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
in general. Most of the issues which were there
earlier have been sorted out.<br>
"Commit rollback", which used not to be available
in earlier versions<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
of junos when clustering was enabled now works as
well, which is a big<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
plus in my book.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 08.07.2013 14:30, Ryan Finnesey wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Lol
never worked with clustering.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Skeeve Stevens"<br>
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<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">+1.<br>
<br>
Juniper clustering was developed, coded, and not
tested by Satan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
himself.<br>
<br>
...Skeeve<br>
<br>
SKEEVE STEVENS - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd<br>
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<br>
The Experts Who The Experts Call<br>
Juniper - Cisco - Cloud<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:47 AM, James Braunegg<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I
like the Juniper SRX 3400 / SRX 5600 firewalls the
nice things<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
about these is you can run per device redundant
routing engines,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
both of these support hardware line rate 10gbit
ports and are full<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
ASIC based.<br>
<br>
If you don't actually need 10gbit throughput you
could look at the<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
SRX 650 which can support 10gbit ports but all
processing is done<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
in software not in ASIC<br>
<br>
Juniper had some issues with clustering the SRX in
the early days<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
but these seem to be all but gone now...<br>
<br>
That being said I still avoid clustering where
possible and much<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
prefer two single devices not linked in anyway
other than standard<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
routing protocols.<br>
<br>
Juniper also has a fantastic CLI … one of the best
I've ever used.<br>
<br>
Do you have a budget in mind ?<br>
<br>
Kindest Regards<br>
<br>
James Braunegg<br>
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Subject: [AusNOG] Q sonicwall and juniper<br>
<br>
Hi<br>
<br>
Was wondering what the groups thoughts where on
sonicwall and<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">maybe<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
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<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom:
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">in
relation to juniper.<br>
<br>
Most of my experience has been with Cisco and
linux (firewalls)<br>
<br>
In particular I am looking at<br>
<br>
Exterior FW (facing internet)<br>
<br>
Or<br>
<br>
Interior FW (not facing Internet)<br>
<br>
Like to have a cluster (HA setup)<br>
<br>
Like to have min 2 x 10G fibre ports per dev
and some 1G ports<br>
<br>
Don't need any sort of deep packet inspection<br>
<br>
I prefer CLI, my initial googling seems to
suggest sonic is not<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
very cli friendly at all<br>
<br>
Again my initial investigation leads me to NSA
5600 (or NSA 6600),<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
not sure what the comparably Juniper might be.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
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