[AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

[Michael Andreas Schipp]

Hi Mark,
 
"Any insights into why they're pursuing such high ratios of users to IP addresses? I really hope it isn't "just because you can"."

In EMEA area they as low to as 200 ports per user ass some country in  that area have so few IPv4 address - not because they want too but have too.

The 1k/2k per user number so far has been found to be around the sweet spot of max users without issues.

Thank you,
 
Michael A Schipp
A10 Networks

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Smith [mailto:markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au] 
Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

Hi Michael,


----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Andreas Schipp <MSchipp at a10networks.com>
> To: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>; "aj at sneep.net" 
> <aj at sneep.net>; Daniel Pearson <dpearson at pingco.com.au>; 
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> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!
> 
> Hi Mark,
>     At A10 Networks we do a lot of CGN, the normal is to allow 1000 
> ports or less to each user.  So take 64k ports, reserve 16K for 
> bursting clients gives you 560 user per IP.  In the EMEA area they use even lower port counts.
> 

Any insights into why they're pursuing such high ratios of users to IP addresses? I really hope it isn't "just because you can".


Regards,
Mark.

> Thanks
> Michael.
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Alastair Johnson <aj at sneep.net>
>>  To: Daniel Pearson <dpearson at pingco.com.au>;
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>>  Luckily the value will spike and then drop, so they better time it right.
>>  
> 
> If an ISP implements CGN with the ideal sharing ratio of 2 subscribers 
> to 1 IP address (to give the subscribers the most possible ports), an 
> ISPs requirement for public addresses for those subscribers halves. 
> What are they going to do with those excess addresses? If they sell 
> them, then I agree, the value will drop.
> 
> Consider Telstra with 2.4 million wired broadband residential 
> customers, which I assume all have individual public IP addresses. In 
> theory with a 2 to 1 CGN deployment, they now have 1.2 million excess 
> addresses. If they kept 300 000 for their own future use, they could sell the remaining 900 000.
> 
> I think it would be best to minimise the number of subscribers to IP 
> addresses in a CGN deployment, which why I'd deploy 2:1. However, it 
> seems common for people to talk about 8:1 or even 16:1. If Telstra 
> chose to adopt 8:1, they'd "free up" 2.1 million addresses. In 
> addition to being able to sell them, another financial incentive to 
> giving them up would be a reduction in RIR fees.
> 
> I've wondered in the past if there is or should be an APNIC policy to 
> reclaim addresses that become unused when an ISP deploys CGN.
> 
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