[AusNOG] /16 for sale.... well not really but why not!

[Joshua D'Alton]

I'd agree with that assesment and conclusion mostly. But I'd also add that
were the RIR to simply start charging economical fees for IP space, you
wouldn't have people hanging onto /16 with the idea to profit off it in the
future (very greedy behaviour, but then again I suppose they are a
business, so probably in line...). As bad as it might be for those who
suddenly have to pay, they are also the ones with the most IP space, and
therefore the ones that should *most* be moving to v6.

Forcing all the small providers who can't get enough space to move to v6,
as you talk about Skeeve, won't fix the problem anywhere near as fast as
doing it the other way around. It is true that it is band-aid if the
smaller pockets of v4 left are simply re-allocated, but what isn't a
bandaid is re-allocating the massive IP space. Imagine moving Telstra off
v4, suddenly we'd have more than enough IPv4 space for the smaller
providers in Australia, for whom rolling out v6 will cost far more as a
percentage than it would Telstra.

Anyway, wishful thinking.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Skeeve Stevens <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellego.net> wrote:

> One of the things that has been pointed out at the APNIC conferences, and
> is brought up regularly is that: Releasing ranges back to the pool is if
> little or no use.
>
> Even if 10 /16's were released back to APNIC... firstly, APNIC policy
> doesn't allow them to be allocated... I think they are actually handed back
> to IANA.
>
> Let's say that is the case... they go to IANA... lets pretend IANA could
> collect a couple of /8's or more and give them back to the RIR's
> for distribution.
>
> APNIC could be given 100 /16's tomorrow and they would disappear in the
> blink of an eye.  Not because of any greed, but due to legitimate
> requirements of some VERY fast growing economies.
>
> I believe, as do many of the others who go to the APNIC conferences, that
> it is better to stick with the current run-out process and force people to
> move to IPv6, rather than putting band-aids by trying to extend IPv4 are
> the RIR level.
>
> There are short term solutions already:
>
> - Get your final /22
> - New companies can get a /22
> - You buy some IPv4 of the open market
> - You invest in CGN/LSN to extend the life of your v4 (not an
> 'alternative' that some stupid journalists suggested in the last week)
> - You roll-out IPv6/Dual-Stack/etc faster and start shifting those you can
>
> ...Skeeve
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> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Daniel Pearson <dpearson at pingco.com.au>wrote:
>
>>  With all the interest in IP’s I thought it would be good to share this
>> little story.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A while back 6-8 months ago I did some digging and found a spare /16 not
>> being used…. Yep that’s right a /16 with not one active resource on it.**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I approached the owner who is no longer in business but found the
>> administrators and asked if they can release it back to the pool and at the
>> same time transfer me a /20. They refused point blank and said they would
>> be holding onto it as it could one day be worth lots!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> After talking with APNIC about it I was told *(verbally) that they can
>> hold onto them even if they have no proven use for them…. So I wonder how
>> many of these are out there. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What really annoys me is we are running out and are using every address
>> sparingly and here is a company who no longer exists holding onto a /16 as
>> one day it might be worth something….. go figure.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> How many other examples of this exist?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Discuss!****
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