[AusNOG] Cisco 7200 routers for sale

[Tristram Cheer]

Hi Guys,

Having built, operated and maintained a pure Mikrotik network covering 100+ transmission sites with 200+ Mikrotik routers with a full MPLS core, PPP services along with various routing protocol's I can say that whilst they require some learning they can be rock solid. As with most things it's not the kit that's the issue it's the people running it. Running an open Cisco/Juniper device with telnet/ssh/web and a weak password can get you in just as much trouble. I find a lot of criticise of MT's come by way of users who can't operate them which leads into situations where because of the price point you have people running around being a "WISP" not knowing what to do. I'm sure if you could pick up a MX80 for $300 people would think poorly of them to.

If you operate a policy of fully testing new releases in a scale lab environment, Lock down services and apply some common sense to it and it will be stable. I've had more problem with providers running Cisco/Juniper kit and having issues than issues with the internal network, It all comes down to who's behind the wheel



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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Aqius
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 4:31 p.m.
To: 'Skeeve Stevens'; 'Joseph Goldman'
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Cisco 7200 routers for sale

I've not used the Mikrotiks much directly myself, mostly because when I was first introduced to the products in a few environments, I'd seen a lot of crashes, CPU usage/DNS issues etc which led me to figure they were in the ballpark Steve has mentioned... OTOH uptime etc for some of devices have been rock solid.

In any event I raised my eyebrows when I saw quite a few of them in a DC visit recently which left me wondering:


1.       Were my experiences just unlucky and I've been a snob (Cisco/Juniper etc still crash like crazy when you're not on the right image for the right features)?

2.       Is there a culture change

a.       Are people's expectations generally different now - ie: crashing/bad performance is actually not considered a big deal; Or

b.      Are techs being forced to cut costs and so you go for a Mikro though it is not most ideal?

3.       Skeeve is right and Mikro's should not be considered for ent deployments?

4.       Is Skeeve representative of a different class of expectations?



From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 13:48
To: Joseph Goldman
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Cisco 7200 routers for sale

Sorry, and I realise it will probably be an unpopular thing to say... but I do NOT rate anything from Mikrotik in the enterprise grade.

Sure the features aren't bad, and they are good for certain things... like non-critical deployments, but I see them in the same class as Netgear, Dlink or Linksys... Talented Amateur equipment, not professional kit.

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...Skeeve

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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Joseph Goldman <joe at apcs.com.au<mailto:joe at apcs.com.au>> wrote:
Are you talking for core/edge routing or for DSL Aggregation?

Seems a popular solution of the moment is to move to MikroTik routers for core routing, specifically the RB1100AHx2, or perhaps their 'Cloud' router that is newer. Since they are so cheap, it is not hard to purchase multiple and have them in a load balanced/fail over situation.

In terms of DSL Aggregation, I believe the upgrade path in the Cisco world from a 7200/7300 would be to the ASR 1000 routers. I could well be wrong though.

On 11/02/13 1:08 PM, James Braunegg wrote:
Dear Ausnog

Our four VXR's have been collecting dust for years now... they were a good router but with today's throughput the G2 just doesn't cut it anymore being software based / none asic solution...

So what hardware did everyone upgraded to ?  - We ended up migrating to the Brocade MLXe X series and haven't looked back (Love their products - Plug for Brocade)!

Kindest Regards

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Nicholas Meredith
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:12 PM
To: Tom Berryman
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Cisco 7200 routers for sale

Since the thread is here I also have a few 7206VXRs with G1 and 2 NPEs

Kind Regards,


Nicholas Meredith
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On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Tom Berryman <tom at connectivityit.com.au<mailto:tom at connectivityit.com.au>> wrote:
I have a few Cisco 7200 routers with NPE-G1 for sale- recently removed from production. Anyone interested please contact me off list.
Tom

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