[AusNOG] NBN Review shows FTTN blowout of 12bn, FTTH blowout of 29bn

[Joshua D'Alton]

That's what I understood as well, very sad :(

We're definitely going to end up in the same stupid games that Telstra
started whereby everyone DID get the 1.5/256k minimum/maximum, I can't see
any way forward for anyone to offer a minimum, its going to have to stay
"up to", unless a provider picked some stupidly low figure (1.5/256k maybe?
or maybe more like 8/384k with the lower lengths), to avoid the
repercussions.

With TPGs latest purchase of AAPT, it'd be really awesome if they did their
own NBN, but that is probably wishful thinking (and maybe illegal?).


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Beeson, Ayden <ABeeson at csu.edu.au> wrote:

> Hey sorry Paul, you might have missed the latest changes with the
> strategic review, but that guarantee no longer applies to end users.
>
> No minimum guarantee at all to end users, with no clear resolution path
> given the uncertain nature of the CAN ownership puts it where it currently
> is, no better...
>
> Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> On 15/12/2013 4:18 PM, Gavin Rogers wrote:
> > On 12/12/2013 12:02 PM, Beeson, Ayden wrote:
> >> That's the poke in the eye for me, I always saw fibre as a great way to
> get more
> >> speed, but more than that, a much more reliable medium with a clear
> resolution path
> >> for faults, to say I'm disappointed in this would be an understatement.
> >>
> > This.  I could (almost) put up with my 10Mbit ADSL2 service at home if,
> when it goes
> > bad - and it goes bad every winter for the last 11 years - that there
> are clearly
> > defined and published fault thresholds and minimum performance
>  specifications and
> > if the line isn't up to scratch, then it's *replaced*. Not jumpered onto
> an almost
> > not-quite-as-rubbish pair on the same rubbish multipair cable, assuming
> that my ISP
> > pesters Telstra enough that they begrudgingly do so.
> >
> > So sick of this, "lol. you have dialtone, your line is fine" nonsense.
> If we're
> > stuck with FTTN, then how are copper CAN faults handled? If a line
> really, truly
> > ends up being bad, does it just get "remediated" (bodged up) or is it a
> shot to the
> > head of the queue for fibre?
>
> While its not much of an improvement, for the first time you'll have a
> minimum speed
> guarantee of 25 Mbps. Everybody is supposed to be able to achieve 25 Mbps
> or higher,
> with 90% achieving 50 Mbps or higher. If your line goes so bad that you
> get less than
> 25 Mbps line-sync then you should be able to call this in as an
> objectively verifiable
> fault and have it fixed - before the water in the cable/pit dries out.
> Since its FTTN
> and there is likely to be no more than 700 metres between you and the
> node, the 'fix'
> *should* be a stroll down the road towards the node to find the dodgy
> no-longer-watertight joint, and a repair/replacement of the bad joint.
> (Not much comfort if you become used to 70+ Mbps, and in wet weather you
> get knocked
> down to 30-something Mbps, but thems the breaks on copper).
>
> Paul.
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