<div dir="ltr">That's what I understood as well, very sad :(<div><br></div><div>We're definitely going to end up in the same stupid games that Telstra started whereby everyone DID get the 1.5/256k minimum/maximum, I can't see any way forward for anyone to offer a minimum, its going to have to stay "up to", unless a provider picked some stupidly low figure (1.5/256k maybe? or maybe more like 8/384k with the lower lengths), to avoid the repercussions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>With TPGs latest purchase of AAPT, it'd be really awesome if they did their own NBN, but that is probably wishful thinking (and maybe illegal?).</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Beeson, Ayden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ABeeson@csu.edu.au" target="_blank">ABeeson@csu.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hey sorry Paul, you might have missed the latest changes with the strategic review, but that guarantee no longer applies to end users.<br>
<br>
No minimum guarantee at all to end users, with no clear resolution path given the uncertain nature of the CAN ownership puts it where it currently is, no better...<br>
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Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<br>
On 15/12/2013 4:18 PM, Gavin Rogers wrote:<br>
> On 12/12/2013 12:02 PM, Beeson, Ayden wrote:<br>
>> That's the poke in the eye for me, I always saw fibre as a great way to get more<br>
>> speed, but more than that, a much more reliable medium with a clear resolution path<br>
>> for faults, to say I'm disappointed in this would be an understatement.<br>
>><br>
> This. I could (almost) put up with my 10Mbit ADSL2 service at home if, when it goes<br>
> bad - and it goes bad every winter for the last 11 years - that there are clearly<br>
> defined and published fault thresholds and minimum performance specifications and<br>
> if the line isn't up to scratch, then it's *replaced*. Not jumpered onto an almost<br>
> not-quite-as-rubbish pair on the same rubbish multipair cable, assuming that my ISP<br>
> pesters Telstra enough that they begrudgingly do so.<br>
><br>
> So sick of this, "lol. you have dialtone, your line is fine" nonsense. If we're<br>
> stuck with FTTN, then how are copper CAN faults handled? If a line really, truly<br>
> ends up being bad, does it just get "remediated" (bodged up) or is it a shot to the<br>
> head of the queue for fibre?<br>
<br>
While its not much of an improvement, for the first time you'll have a minimum speed<br>
guarantee of 25 Mbps. Everybody is supposed to be able to achieve 25 Mbps or higher,<br>
with 90% achieving 50 Mbps or higher. If your line goes so bad that you get less than<br>
25 Mbps line-sync then you should be able to call this in as an objectively verifiable<br>
fault and have it fixed - before the water in the cable/pit dries out. Since its FTTN<br>
and there is likely to be no more than 700 metres between you and the node, the 'fix'<br>
*should* be a stroll down the road towards the node to find the dodgy<br>
no-longer-watertight joint, and a repair/replacement of the bad joint.<br>
(Not much comfort if you become used to 70+ Mbps, and in wet weather you get knocked<br>
down to 30-something Mbps, but thems the breaks on copper).<br>
<br>
Paul.<br>
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