[AusNOG] Juniper vs Cisco vs Brocade - what's best for BGP routing?

[Skeeve Stevens]

I hear what you are saying.

Virtualisation is becoming a huge thing, but for many applications,
hardware is still going to be preferable.

That said, Juniper is close to releasing the Virtual SRX (Firefly), and has
released the Virtual Wireless Controller.

When SDN is actually something more than 1% care about, that will also be
interesting.

Over the next few years, network tin will go the same way as server tin.  A
Dell/HP/etc rep struggles to differentiate their tin right now, because you
just throw Vmware or some other OS and it is the same...

Networking vendors still enjoy some uniqueness about their product... but
SDN will turn them into bits of tin that will only be differentiated by
ports and speeds as all the smarts will be in your SDN controller... so a
Cisco, Juniper, Brocade will sit next to each other and will be almost the
same operationally.

Cisco knows this is coming and hates it, but is trying to give similar
outcomes while maintaining some path for value-add.

It was an interesting move of Juniper to buy Contrail and then open-source
it - perhaps to establish themselves are the standard in SDN
infrastructure.... and it seems to be working.

Back to your original comments about virtualisation.  Sure, there are some
aspects that will be able to be virtualised quite easy, and will work fine
on server tin... but there are going to be features that will require
dedicated hardware.... but who knows, maybe someone will bring out the
'networking server tin' specifically designed for virtualisation of
routing/switching functions with virtualisation.... that would be cool.


...Skeeve

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Juniper - Cisco - Cloud


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <
Alex.Samad at yieldbroker.com> wrote:

>  Hi
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> Add my 2c, so I have been deploying routerOS in VM’s.
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> Personally I like the interface, love the cost
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> And it seems to be doing all the things I want.
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> BGP, I am taking a full table from 2 up streams (soon to be 3). Also got
> OSPF working well, interfacing with my Cisco & Dell kit
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> I am moving from hardware, the cost and the rack space doesn’t work for me.
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> We are a virtualisation house, and the numbers in regards to throughput
> are not bleeding edge.
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> Currently I have been getting around 600Mbps through one of these routers
> (600 in and 600 out) that’s on 2 virtual interfaces in ESX 5.5, my initial
> test point to routersOS not being the bottleneck… 1 set of disks, behind a
> iSCSI server .  Over the next couple of weeks, I am commissioning some 10G
> dark fibre, it will be interesting to see if I can push these to their max
> with routerOS.  The biggest hurdle is the fact they have to special VMware
> network drivers …..
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> I was pointed to routerOS from this mailing list.
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> There are some idiosyncrasies, the firewall is state full, which can be a
> pain when using VRRP, already given some feedback on that
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> I would like to see better config management.
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> I probably would have built a linux router solution than spend the money
> on hardware.
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> Alex
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 December 2013 6:09 PM
> *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Matt Perkins
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Juniper vs Cisco vs Brocade - what's best for BGP
> routing?
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> Skeeve; also, just as another note, I would prefer to be sent from a
> reseller to a vendor's presales engineering team then be sold hardware
> and/or configuration that will not work in a specific environment.
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> Don't be scared of Vyatta… the software will work wonders with cheap
> hardware ($3-6k for two boxes). I have a CCR1016-12G board from Mikrotik
> (this is one of the "Cloud Core" branded boards) sitting at home and if you
> are looking for something inexpensive it might not be a bad route (heh!) to
> go.
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> RouterOS supports VRRP for setting up a master/slave virtual router with
> only around three lines of config. (OSPF/RIP is also supported… apparently.
> I could never get it to work correctly.)
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> Two Cloud Core's will not set you back more then $1,500, and it will give
> you throughput of ~ 3Gbps…
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> Can't speak for Juniper/Cisco gear, but IMHO GBP Multihoming is easier to
> set up on Mikrotik then on Brocade:
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Simple_BGP_Multihoming
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> Regards,
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> Tim
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> On 11 December 2013 at 5:40:05 PM, Skeeve Stevens (
> skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<//skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>)
> wrote:
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>   Just a note.  If a reseller can't answer some basic technical
> questions, they shouldn't be selling the product in the first place.
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