<div dir="ltr">I hear what you are saying.<div><br></div><div>Virtualisation is becoming a huge thing, but for many applications, hardware is still going to be preferable.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, Juniper is close to releasing the Virtual SRX (Firefly), and has released the Virtual Wireless Controller.</div>
<div><br></div><div>When SDN is actually something more than 1% care about, that will also be interesting.</div><div><br></div><div>Over the next few years, network tin will go the same way as server tin. A Dell/HP/etc rep struggles to differentiate their tin right now, because you just throw Vmware or some other OS and it is the same... </div>
<div><br></div><div>Networking vendors still enjoy some uniqueness about their product... but SDN will turn them into bits of tin that will only be differentiated by ports and speeds as all the smarts will be in your SDN controller... so a Cisco, Juniper, Brocade will sit next to each other and will be almost the same operationally.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cisco knows this is coming and hates it, but is trying to give similar outcomes while maintaining some path for value-add.</div><div><br></div><div>It was an interesting move of Juniper to buy Contrail and then open-source it - perhaps to establish themselves are the standard in SDN infrastructure.... and it seems to be working.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Back to your original comments about virtualisation. Sure, there are some aspects that will be able to be virtualised quite easy, and will work fine on server tin... but there are going to be features that will require dedicated hardware.... but who knows, maybe someone will bring out the 'networking server tin' specifically designed for virtualisation of routing/switching functions with virtualisation.... that would be cool.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com" target="_blank">Alex.Samad@yieldbroker.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Add my 2c, so I have been deploying routerOS in VM’s.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Personally I like the interface, love the cost<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And it seems to be doing all the things I want.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">BGP, I am taking a full table from 2 up streams (soon to be 3). Also got OSPF working well, interfacing with my Cisco & Dell kit<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I am moving from hardware, the cost and the rack space doesn’t work for me.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We are a virtualisation house, and the numbers in regards to throughput are not bleeding edge.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Currently I have been getting around 600Mbps through one of these routers (600 in and 600 out) that’s on 2 virtual interfaces in ESX 5.5, my initial test point
to routersOS not being the bottleneck… 1 set of disks, behind a iSCSI server . Over the next couple of weeks, I am commissioning some 10G dark fibre, it will be interesting to see if I can push these to their max with routerOS. The biggest hurdle is the
fact they have to special VMware network drivers …..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I was pointed to routerOS from this mailing list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There are some idiosyncrasies, the firewall is state full, which can be a pain when using VRRP, already given some feedback on that<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I probably would have built a linux router solution than spend the money on hardware.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 11 December 2013 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; Matt Perkins<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Juniper vs Cisco vs Brocade - what's best for BGP routing?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Core" branded boards) sitting at home and if you are looking for something inexpensive it might not be a bad route (heh!) to go.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="color:#a0a0a8">On 11 December 2013 at 5:40:05 PM, Skeeve Stevens (<a href="mailto://skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>) wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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