[AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Mark Prior]

The policy document seems pretty clear to me that there are general 
operational requirements (sections 2 & 3) and requirements specific to 
the region/country (section 1).

Mark.

On 12/11/12 6:36 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> Yeah, I know, used to work for them when they were called UUNet/Worldcom.  That policy reads like it applies to all of 701, 702 and 703.
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net>
>> To: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>
>> Cc: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>; "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>> AS703 = Verizon Asia Pacific
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> On 12/11/12 4:47 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
>>>> To: Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>
>>>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>> Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2012, at 8:29 PM, Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     There's been on list discussion stating that if the other 3 members of
>>>>>     the GoF were evaluated using Verizon's published policy, they
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>     get to keep the current arrangement - do you have an opinion on that
>>>>>     either way?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest that untrue.  All would meet AS703s requirements.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't have thought Telstra, Optus or AAPT can meet the following -
>>>
>>> Geographic Scope. The Requester shall operate facilities capable of terminating IP customer leased line connections onto a device in at least 50% of the geographic region in which the Verizon Business Internet Network with which it desires to interconnect operates such facilities. This currently equates to 25 states in the United States, 9 countries in Europe, or 3 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. The Requester also must have a geographically-dispersed network. In the United States, at a minimum, the Requester must have a backbone node in each of the following eight geographic regions: Northeast; Mid-Atlantic; Southeast; North Central; South Central; Northwest; Mid-Pacific; and Southwest.
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously Verizon can choose to break their own rules if it benefits them.
>>>
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>>>
>>>> MMC
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 12/11/12 15:13, Mark Prior wrote:
>>>>>>     On 12/11/12 12:25 PM, Chris Ricks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Even if a merger of M2, iiNet and TPG occurred, their traffic
>>>> volume
>>>>>>>     would not put them in a position to discuss settlement-free or SKA
>>>>>>>     peering with any of the GoF without government intervention - that
>>>> is
>>>>>>>     the crux of the issue here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I wouldn't put Verizon in the same box as the other three. They
>>>> have a
>>>>>>     written peering policy and if you satisfy the policy via a test
>>>>>>     peering then you get to keep it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     AAPT had a policy (I wrote the first version :-) but it's a moving
>>>>>>     target, at least it was when I last tried to use it to get peering.
>>>>>>     Telstra's peering policy is mission impossible and Optus can't
>>>> spell
>>>>>>     peering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Mark.
>>>>>>
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