[AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Mark Smith]

Yeah, I know, used to work for them when they were called UUNet/Worldcom.  That policy reads like it applies to all of 701, 702 and 703.

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> From: Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net>
>To: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au> 
>Cc: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>; Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>; "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> 
>Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 6:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>AS703 = Verizon Asia Pacific
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>Mark.
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>On 12/11/12 4:47 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at mmc.com.au>
>>> To: Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>
>>> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>> Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
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>>> On 11/11/2012, at 8:29 PM, Chris Ricks <chris.ricks at securepay.com.au>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>   There's been on list discussion stating that if the other 3 members of
>>>>   the GoF were evaluated using Verizon's published policy, they
>>> wouldn't
>>>>   get to keep the current arrangement - do you have an opinion on that
>>>>   either way?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd suggest that untrue.  All would meet AS703s requirements.
>>>
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>> I wouldn't have thought Telstra, Optus or AAPT can meet the following -
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>> Geographic Scope. The Requester shall operate facilities capable of terminating IP customer leased line connections onto a device in at least 50% of the geographic region in which the Verizon Business Internet Network with which it desires to interconnect operates such facilities. This currently equates to 25 states in the United States, 9 countries in Europe, or 3 countries in the Asia-Pacific region. The Requester also must have a geographically-dispersed network. In the United States, at a minimum, the Requester must have a backbone node in each of the following eight geographic regions: Northeast; Mid-Atlantic; Southeast; North Central; South Central; Northwest; Mid-Pacific; and Southwest.
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>> Obviously Verizon can choose to break their own rules if it benefits them.
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>>> MMC
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>>>>
>>>>   On 12/11/12 15:13, Mark Prior wrote:
>>>>>   On 12/11/12 12:25 PM, Chris Ricks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Even if a merger of M2, iiNet and TPG occurred, their traffic
>>> volume
>>>>>>   would not put them in a position to discuss settlement-free or SKA
>>>>>>   peering with any of the GoF without government intervention - that
>>> is
>>>>>>   the crux of the issue here.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I wouldn't put Verizon in the same box as the other three. They
>>> have a
>>>>>   written peering policy and if you satisfy the policy via a test
>>>>>   peering then you get to keep it.
>>>>>
>>>>>   AAPT had a policy (I wrote the first version :-) but it's a moving
>>>>>   target, at least it was when I last tried to use it to get peering.
>>>>>   Telstra's peering policy is mission impossible and Optus can't
>>> spell
>>>>>   peering.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Mark.
>>>>>
>>>>
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