[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missing from PIPE-IX?

[Joshua D'Alton]

Or Speed style. "If your peering drops below 50% your network will
explode"..

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at yahoo.com.au>wrote:

> There seems to be a bit of a trend these days for police shows to take
> their stories from real life events. Perhaps this Vocus/Pipe drama might
> end up on
>
> Law & Order : MTU
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: James Spenceley <james at vocus.com.au>
> > To: Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net>
> > Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 4:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic
> missing from PIPE-IX?
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > We are probably at the point that some level of clarification would help.
> >
> > Due to contractual reasons we were required to vacate all of our racks
> in the
> > PIPE facilities and also turn off a number of misc services (such as some
> > remaining fibre tails and peering). For clarity TPG/PIPE was entirely
> entitled
> > to take the course of action they did.
> >
> > This involved Vocus moving a not-so-insignificant number of customers'
> > services and kit in a very short window of time. That move was completed
> > successfully yesterday and the last live pieces of equipment in PIPE DCs
> were
> > turned down last night (including all peering).  Not all of our peering
> services
> > were terminated, but given that we expected they would be, we have
> planned for
> > it and shut them down ahead of time.
> >
> > Vocus is still openly peering at the WAIA exchange points (WAIX, VIC-IX,
> QLD-IX)
> > and also at Equinix in Sydney (where we have upgraded our port to handle
> the
> > increased bandwidth).  Our full routes are still available at those
> points and a
> > huge number of locations privately, if the volume justifies the
> port/cross
> > connect/admin costs.
> >
> > I'd like to thank all of our affected customers (a lot whom are on this
> > list) for their patience and assistance. I know this has caused you
> additional
> > cost and distraction, so the positive attitude and support you've
> > (literally) all shown is greatly appreciated.  Also I'd like to thank
> our IP
> > and Fibre teams who managed the migrations - they are simply the best
> and most
> > dedicated guys I know and worked incredibly hard to minimise any customer
> > inconvenience.
> >
> > A number of people have suggested that this might escalate. It won't.
> There
> > is no "war". TPG/PIPE still have racks in Vocus data centres and we
> > won't be changing that. I've expressed this to PIPE and those who have
> > voiced concerns and now it is on public record.
> >
> > Both PIPE and Vocus will continue working in a professional manor for the
> > delivery of Fibre/Telco services to each other's facilities. Pipe
> exercised
> > their contractual rights, it caused us a lot of difficultly but that's
> life
> > its now in the past. Since then there have been no instances of anything
> > deliberately negative.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --
> > James
> >
> > (speaking privately to ausnog, not to any wider audience)
> >
> > @Nathan Brookfield, on your delay getting cross connects, I don't believe
> > that is down to a conspiracy or any issues between PIPE and Vocus.
> Please talk
> > to your co-lo provider about getting the cross connect escalated (I'm
> sure
> > after your post it now has some attention). If there is anything we can
> do to
> > help, drop me a line.
> >
> >
> > On 08/11/2012, at 12:55 PM, Noel Butler wrote:
> >
> >>  On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 12:32 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's....
> > now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same thing.  The
> company
> > that rose to success largely because of who ran it and how they
> operated, no
> > longer seems to consider what people think of them, which is sad,
> because it is
> > (or was) a good network asset.
> >>>
> >>
> >>  So you are claiming now something the rest of us don't know, that is
> > that PIPE instigated this, or are you (as I suspect) just wildly waving
> your
> > arms pointing in a direction of your least liked characters?
> >>  You're an intelligent man Skeeve, If you did know the truth, I doubt
> > you would be foolish enough to even imply it in public, so lets stop
> with the
> > blame game because unless one of the entities directly involved press
> release
> > it, no-one will really know, and as it's nobody else's business I
> > wouldn't hold your breath waiting for one <face-wink.png>  and since
> > I'm only a bush lawyer (like almost everyone else around here), I'd say
> > one party wont without the agreement of the other fearing legal
> ramifications.
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