[AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?

[Chris Ricks]

Equinix are in Sydney and they offer decent pricing for 1GbE ports for
peering.

I'm not sure if they still offer access to their IX in Melbourne and
Brisbane though....

On 08/11/12 12:47, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> But they aren't in Sydney.
>
> WAIX's pricing is great... but until they are an option, there is no
> point worrying about them (in Sydney).
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> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Brad Peczka <brad at bradpeczka.com
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>     I think WAIA is doing a pretty good job of that already. Today =
>     VIC-IX, QLD-IX, WAIX, tomorrow = the world! :-)
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>     *To:* Skeeve Stevens; Noel Butler
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>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>
>     Time to build a new IX?
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>     <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of *Skeeve
>     Stevens
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32
>     *To:* Noel Butler
>     *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Vocus vs. Pipe - Was: Vocus peering
>     traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?
>
>      
>
>     Noel,
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>      
>
>     Because it affects us all.  In extra costs, extra complexity,
>     extra hassles, extra design considerations, less choice in
>     interconnect options, etc.
>
>      
>
>     I've had multiple customers who have had extra work put on them by
>     cable re-routing and re-provisioning, which in the end all seems
>     to be caused by some bullshit turf war.
>
>      
>
>     It is like the days when AAPT through Pipe out of their DC's....
>     now Pipe, under the new ownership seems to be doing the same
>     thing.  The company that rose to success largely because of who
>     ran it and how they operated, no longer seems to consider what
>     people think of them, which is sad, because it is (or was) a good
>     network asset.
>
>      
>
>     They still have a good value proposition, but this shit doesn't
>     help anyone.
>
>      
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>     *Skeeve Stevens, CEO - *eintellego Pty Ltd
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>     On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Noel Butler
>     <noel.butler at ausics.net <mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net>> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 00:30 +1100, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
>
>
>     > Is anyone willing to openly talk about what is going on with
>     Vocus and Pipe?
>     > Who is pissed at who for what is the question?
>
>     Ummm, sorry, why should they?
>
>
>     The commercial agreement between them, is, well,  between them -
>     nobody else.
>
>     If you have a commercial agreement with PIPE and/or Vocus that's
>     between you and each peer provider, it doesn't give anyone the
>     right to know how they connect or why they change things.
>
>     End result is, you are all still connected to the Internet, nobody
>     has dropped off the face of it because of this.
>     Life goes on.
>
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