[AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?

[Martin - StudioCoast]

Sounds like a reasonable idea. The hardest part will be educating the 
public.
What really scares me is the likes of twitter and facebook shows the 
average user doesn't consider the constant erosion of privacy that big 
of a deal.

I was personally thinking of something along the lines of MediaWatch for 
privacy, AKA PrivacyWatch.
But then I realised the irony of calling it that...



On 27/06/2012 3:34 PM, Aqius wrote:
> I think Telstras behaviour is absolutely disgraceful and one in a long list
> of shameful activities by large corporates. There needs to be something more
> significant other than a few mostly mediocre articles that downplay the
> situation.
>
> Well this has finally gotten of my a$$ to at least start doing something
> other than huffing & puffing... I've registered breachoftrust.org &
> breachofprivacy.org (nothing to see yet, just registered). I'd like to start
> putting this story and other similar ones on the site and actually see them
> followed through to court cases or wherever they go (god knows how I'll
> manage to keep it up, but it's a worthy hobby); along with information on
> users rights, who to contact if they suspect abuse etc.
>
> If the boat has already been made, point me there, otherwise I know there
> are some resources and sites already out there, but as much as I'm
> passionate about the topic, I'm far more underinformed then I'd like to be.
> Anyone have any suggestions, links etc or know an awesome Wordpress (etc)
> theme suitable for the job, please let me know.
>
> Like all of us, I'm also pressed for time - if anyone is interested in the
> same and want to work at it together or take lead I'd be delighted.
>
> R's,
> Jason
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:25 PM
> To: Matt Perkins
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:09:19PM +1000, Matt Perkins wrote:
>
>   > The some what scarey part is that had Telstra batched this info off on a
>> weekly basis and it not been done in real time chances are we would  >
> still be oblivious.
>
> Yes. It was only Netsweeper's predictable behaviour which made everyone twig
> to what was going on.
>
> Betcha that behaviour is about to change.
>
> That's why attitudes and corporate culture with respect to trust are
> so important.  We all know that what's going on is _possible_.   Whether
> or not it _happens_ depends on the ethos of the decisionmakers.
>
> .. which, we've observed, seem to have a cultural opposition to
> transparency, and seem prepared to run full steam ahead with things they
> know will erode trust.
>
>   > Im guessing within the T&C's that im sure we all agreed to but didn't  >
> read they are likely to have permission to do whatever they want with  > the
> data.
>
> Pretty sure they know that's not true, and that's why they rushed out
> section 27 yesterday afternoon.
>
> However:  Their T&Cs only govern their relationship with their customers,
> not with third parties.
>
> If Jane Doe puts some private content online, and discloses the URL to me, a
> NextG customer, and I access it, and the content is subsequently downloaded
> by Netsweeper, then *Jane* has had *her* privacy invaded by Netsweeper, even
> though she has no contractual relationship with Telstra at all.
>
> I'd love to see how they can weasel their way out of that one.
>
>   > There are some laws however that deal directly with carriers  > and there
> are certain privacy laws that apply to carrier's only. Without  > making at
> $5000  call to someone in the legal field im not sure I can  > confirm that.
>
> Records accumulated by the network can only be disclosed to internal parties
> who have a need to know, and to external parties on the basis of a warrant.
>
> Again: I'd love to see how they can weasel their way out of that one.
> In my opinion, browser history pulled from a DPI box or a transparent proxy
> is clearly a "record" within the meaning of the Telecommuniations Act.
>
>   > One thing I would think would be correct is that if US Music/Film studio
>> a) sends a subpoena to Telstra's outsourced data miner company b in the  >
> US to hand over all there data so they can trawl it for url's of torrent  >
> sites. Im guessing they would be compelled to hand over the data without  >
> question.
>
> If I download a movie over HTTP on a NextG service, and that inspires
> Netsweeper to download it too, has Netsweeper infringed copyright? :-)
>
>    - mark
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