[AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?

[Aqius]

I think Telstras behaviour is absolutely disgraceful and one in a long list
of shameful activities by large corporates. There needs to be something more
significant other than a few mostly mediocre articles that downplay the
situation.

Well this has finally gotten of my a$$ to at least start doing something
other than huffing & puffing... I've registered breachoftrust.org &
breachofprivacy.org (nothing to see yet, just registered). I'd like to start
putting this story and other similar ones on the site and actually see them
followed through to court cases or wherever they go (god knows how I'll
manage to keep it up, but it's a worthy hobby); along with information on
users rights, who to contact if they suspect abuse etc.

If the boat has already been made, point me there, otherwise I know there
are some resources and sites already out there, but as much as I'm
passionate about the topic, I'm far more underinformed then I'd like to be.
Anyone have any suggestions, links etc or know an awesome Wordpress (etc)
theme suitable for the job, please let me know. 

Like all of us, I'm also pressed for time - if anyone is interested in the
same and want to work at it together or take lead I'd be delighted. 

R's,
Jason 


-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:25 PM
To: Matt Perkins
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:09:19PM +1000, Matt Perkins wrote:

 > The some what scarey part is that had Telstra batched this info off on a
> weekly basis and it not been done in real time chances are we would  >
still be oblivious.

Yes. It was only Netsweeper's predictable behaviour which made everyone twig
to what was going on.

Betcha that behaviour is about to change.

That's why attitudes and corporate culture with respect to trust are
so important.  We all know that what's going on is _possible_.   Whether
or not it _happens_ depends on the ethos of the decisionmakers.

.. which, we've observed, seem to have a cultural opposition to
transparency, and seem prepared to run full steam ahead with things they
know will erode trust.

 > Im guessing within the T&C's that im sure we all agreed to but didn't  >
read they are likely to have permission to do whatever they want with  > the
data.

Pretty sure they know that's not true, and that's why they rushed out
section 27 yesterday afternoon.

However:  Their T&Cs only govern their relationship with their customers,
not with third parties.

If Jane Doe puts some private content online, and discloses the URL to me, a
NextG customer, and I access it, and the content is subsequently downloaded
by Netsweeper, then *Jane* has had *her* privacy invaded by Netsweeper, even
though she has no contractual relationship with Telstra at all. 

I'd love to see how they can weasel their way out of that one.

 > There are some laws however that deal directly with carriers  > and there
are certain privacy laws that apply to carrier's only. Without  > making at
$5000  call to someone in the legal field im not sure I can  > confirm that.

Records accumulated by the network can only be disclosed to internal parties
who have a need to know, and to external parties on the basis of a warrant.

Again: I'd love to see how they can weasel their way out of that one.
In my opinion, browser history pulled from a DPI box or a transparent proxy
is clearly a "record" within the meaning of the Telecommuniations Act.

 > One thing I would think would be correct is that if US Music/Film studio
> a) sends a subpoena to Telstra's outsourced data miner company b in the  >
US to hand over all there data so they can trawl it for url's of torrent  >
sites. Im guessing they would be compelled to hand over the data without  >
question.

If I download a movie over HTTP on a NextG service, and that inspires
Netsweeper to download it too, has Netsweeper infringed copyright? :-)

  - mark
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