[AusNOG] [SPAM] Re: Is CCTV a Necessity in a Data Centre?

[Joshua D'Alton]

Well that is shifting the goalposts isn't it. Clearly you consider
reasonable to be the tier of the datacenter (real or imagined). Others
might consider the price or location or other such.

Consider further, what about onsite floor security guards? One could argue
security guards are a necessity to prevent things from happening in the
first place (which CCTV would reveal after the fact), and there are indeed
many such datacenters. Of course they cost another 15-20% at least. So,
evidently 'reasonable' when it comes to features such as HVAC, CCTV, onsite
security, etc,  is not something easy to define.

As bob suggests some very good examples, but they are only some of the
possibilities in the realm of necessity. Maybe the better question is, what
sort of datacenter necessitates CCTV?

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au>wrote:

> Happy for you to point out any one of the 20 reasonable DC's built in the
> past few years that don't.
>
> B
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 03/12/2012, at 2:19 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
>
> Yet some DCs don't have HVAC or generators, and it is perfectly reasonable
> they don't. Point 2 of the OP indicates he was after what areas/reasons
> there were such that CCTV is/was a necessity, and/or places where it isn't.
> Seems doing a case study with only the former and no input re the later
> isn't going to be a very complete case study (probably like the ones the
> PCI DSS guys do).
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bevan Slattery <bevan at slattery.net.au>wrote:
>
>> Yes - you're right it's an arse cover insurance thing, the same as
>> needing a front door, HVAC, generators or a roof.  Sheesh.
>>
>> [b]
>>
>> From: Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>
>> Date: Monday, 3 December 2012 9:30 AM
>>
>> To: "ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [SPAM] Re: Is CCTV a Necessity in a Data Centre?
>> Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
>>
>> So as alluded to before, it seems to be an Insurance (as in PCI
>> ./insurance policies) and/or ass-covering utility. Perhaps not a necessity
>> in every DC?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In message <
>>> CAMtDJDKK6Ka3Hgv8Yx+tdo-yFLVGWEiJpt8rhAO_Pk78qRvPpA at mail.gmail.com>,
>>> "Joshua D'Alton" writes:
>>> >
>>> > Given I replied to you originally thinking you were replying privately
>>> vs
>>> > the list, I think it is obvious that the human element is really key,
>>> not
>>> > things like CCTV ;P
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, I'm sure CCTV is essential for things like PCI, to meet the BS
>>> red
>>> > tape, but with regards to the OP post generally, so far we've only
>>> heard
>>> > political/red-tape reasons.
>>>
>>> No.  It is one method of meeting the standard.  The *old* standard
>>> only had CCTV.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/pci_dss_v2.pdf
>>>
>>> 9.1.1 Use video cameras and/or access control mechanisms to monitor
>>> individual physical access to sensitive areas. Review collected
>>> data and correlate with other entries. Store for at least three
>>> months, unless otherwise restricted by law.  Note: --Sensitive areas||
>>> refers to any data center, server room or any area that houses
>>> systems that store, process, or transmit cardholder data. This
>>> excludes the areas where only point-of-sale terminals are present,
>>> such as the cashier areas in a retail
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Andrews, ISC
>>> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
>>> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: marka at isc.org
>>>
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