Well that is shifting the goalposts isn't it. Clearly you consider reasonable to be the tier of the datacenter (real or imagined). Others might consider the price or location or other such.<div><br></div><div>Consider further, what about onsite floor security guards? One could argue security guards are a necessity to prevent things from happening in the first place (which CCTV would reveal after the fact), and there are indeed many such datacenters. Of course they cost another 15-20% at least. So, evidently 'reasonable' when it comes to features such as HVAC, CCTV, onsite security, etc, is not something easy to define.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As bob suggests some very good examples, but they are only some of the possibilities in the realm of necessity. Maybe the better question is, what sort of datacenter necessitates CCTV?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bevan Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au" target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>Happy for you to point out any one of the 20 reasonable DC's built in the past few years that don't.</div><div><br></div><div>B<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 03/12/2012, at 2:19 PM, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Yet some DCs don't have HVAC or generators, and it is perfectly reasonable they don't. Point 2 of the OP indicates he was after what areas/reasons there were such that CCTV is/was a necessity, and/or places where it isn't. Seems doing a case study with only the former and no input re the later isn't going to be a very complete case study (probably like the ones the PCI DSS guys do).<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Bevan Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au" target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;word-wrap:break-word"><div>Yes – you're right it's an arse cover insurance thing, the same as needing a front door, HVAC, generators or a roof. Sheesh.</div>
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<div><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>><br></div><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, 3 December 2012 9:30 AM<div>
<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] [SPAM] Re: Is CCTV a Necessity in a Data Centre?<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span> Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan.slattery@nextdc.com" target="_blank">bevan.slattery@nextdc.com</a>><br>
</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#b5c4df 5 solid;PADDING:0 0 0 5;MARGIN:0 0 0 5"><div><div>So as alluded to before, it seems to be an Insurance (as in PCI ./insurance policies) and/or ass-covering utility. Perhaps not a necessity in every DC?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Mark Andrews <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
In message <<a href="mailto:CAMtDJDKK6Ka3Hgv8Yx%2Btdo-yFLVGWEiJpt8rhAO_Pk78qRvPpA@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAMtDJDKK6Ka3Hgv8Yx+tdo-yFLVGWEiJpt8rhAO_Pk78qRvPpA@mail.gmail.com</a>>, "Joshua D'Alton" writes:<br>
><br>
> Given I replied to you originally thinking you were replying privately vs<br>
> the list, I think it is obvious that the human element is really key, not<br>
> things like CCTV ;P<br>
><br>
> Anyway, I'm sure CCTV is essential for things like PCI, to meet the BS red<br>
> tape, but with regards to the OP post generally, so far we've only heard<br>
> political/red-tape reasons.<br><br></div>No. It is one method of meeting the standard. The *old* standard<br>
only had CCTV.<br><br>
Mark<br><br><a href="https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/pci_dss_v2.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/pci_dss_v2.pdf</a><br><br>
9.1.1 Use video cameras and/or access control mechanisms to monitor<br>
individual physical access to sensitive areas. Review collected<br>
data and correlate with other entries. Store for at least three<br>
months, unless otherwise restricted by law. Note: ―Sensitive areas‖<br>
refers to any data center, server room or any area that houses<br>
systems that store, process, or transmit cardholder data. This<br>
excludes the areas where only point-of-sale terminals are present,<br>
such as the cashier areas in a retail<br><span><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Mark Andrews, ISC<br>
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia<br>
PHONE: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209871%204742" value="+61298714742" target="_blank">+61 2 9871 4742</a> INTERNET: <a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a><br></font></span></blockquote>
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