[AusNOG] NBN Battery backups

Wed Oct 12 13:15:46 EST 2011

I wonder in "priority assist" will continue under nbn?
So therefor who pays for the battery backup facility and who is responsible?

Sam

Smelly Black Dog

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[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Baker
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011 7:54 PM
To: simon thomason
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Battery backups

Not the one I saw originally, but
http://www.nbntasmania.com.au/assets/283/NBNT1829%20NBN%20UPS%20Brochure.pdf

"It is your responsibility as the property owner or occupier to purchase,
install, charge and maintain the battery

in this power system and regularly check the battery indicators.""

On 11/10/2011, at 7:51 PM, simon thomason wrote:

I would not mind seeing this if you could find it. 

Does anyone happen to have a doco on the UPS at all?

On 11/10/2011, at 7:18 PM, Brendan Baker wrote:

I camt find it currently. But there are published instructions for customers
of how to change the battery and when. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 11/10/2011, at 18:30, Adam Brotherson <domske at gmail.com> wrote:

Isn't it just a battery that gets stuck in the side of the NTU? Like the
$10-20 kind you would get from Dick Smith. Similar to the battery that would
go in ones cordless phone.  

Adam

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Solly, Matthew <matt at mtt.me> wrote:

I don't see how passing the responsibility to the RSPs would work unless the
RSPs were allowed to charge for the UPS in a rental fashion. I think the UPS
should be a "premium" service of sorts. Perhaps the RSPs could rent the UPS
to users, with this cost subsidised to those where the phone line is a
mission critical service (severely ill people, etc.). That would be one way
to ensure the UPS was maintained.  

Matt

On 11/10/2011, at 6:49 PM, Tom Wright wrote:

Err more interesting is how on earth is passing the responsibility onto the
RSPs supposed to work? 

What happens when there are two or more RSPs involved; who is responsible
and who pays?

Sounds like something that's currently half baked...

-- Tom

On 11/10/2011, at 5:57 PM, "Thomason, Simon" <Simon.Thomason at racq.com.au>
wrote:

Was reading over this article today and did notice the comments about
battery backups.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/nbn-construction-several-
months-behind-quigley/story-fn91v9q3-1226163841204 

I have to be honest and have not been following in great detail what is
happening with battery backups but that said I am wondering if they have
taken into account the product life cycle when you introduce UPS.

I did find this which did not really indicate who will be responsible for
the UPS? Does this mean Users or ISP?

5.8 Battery Backup 

In order to comply with the Government's objectives, NBN Co will provide a
Battery Backup solution so as to temporarily power Network Termination Units
(NTUs) installed at the Fibre End-User's premise in the event of a mains
power failure. 

Standard NTU installation will include installation of a Battery Backup Unit
together with the initial battery. Going forward, battery replacement,
charging, and maintenance will not be NBN Co's responsibility. Any
battery-related alarms will be passed to the RSPs for appropriate action.;
http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/nbn-co-3-year-gbe-corporate-plan-fi
nal-17-dec-10.pdf 

I know this is a small thing in the grand scheme of things but will be
interesting in 2 to 5 years times when all of these UPS are not maintained. 

Simon Thomason

Network Engineer

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