[AusNOG] NBN Legislation

[Mark Smith]

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:49:47 +1030
Mark Smith <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 10:26:10 +1030
> Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > Are there any cable operators in AU who have _not_ upgraded to DOCSIS3.0 already?
> > 
> 
> I don't know specifically. I've assumed that because the DOCSIS 3.0
> speeds aren't universally available, that DOCSIS 3.0 hasn't been
> universally deployed. I've only been keeping up with DOCSIS 3.0
> deployment via occasional news articles, mainly from the point of view
> of IPv6 capability deployment.
> 
> Telstra are saying a max downstream speed of 30Mbps
> 
> http://go.bigpond.com/broadband/what-is-broadband/index.jsp
> 
> which corresponds to DOCSIS 2.0 -
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Speed_tables
> 

Hmm, misinterpreted that table. 30Mbps was a maximum upstream, 42Mbps
is the maximum downstream. Not sure if EuroDOCSIS is being deployed in
Australia, which makes the max downstream 55Mbps. I think that
still allows for my estimation of DOCSIS 3.0 availability to be a
reasonable conclusion.

> This quote from the above Telstra page seems to imply the baseline
> version of their network is DOCSIS 2.0 (and the upgrade being
> described was from DOCSIS 1.0 to 2.0, not 2.0 to 3.0)
> 
> "We've upgraded our entire Cable network to provide customers on BigPond
> Elite Cable Plans with download speeds of up to 30Mbps1."
> 
> Regards,
> Mark.
> 
> 
> > MMC
> > 
> > On 28/11/2010, at 9:23 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 11:45:50 +0000
> > > Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> Let me give you some more examples to chew on:
> > >> 
> > >> Any HFC network owner such as looking to upgrade their network to DOCSIS 3.0
> > > 
> > > Hmm, so no IPv6 for HFC customers then, other than tunnelled
> > > over IPv4.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> Any provider installing in-building DSLAM's delivering high speed broadband to residential towers using VDSL
> > >> Any provider installing in-building DSLAM's delivering high speed broadband to commercial buildings using VDSL
> > >> Any DSLAM provider considering upgrading their DSLAM's to be able to provide VDSL (particularly in inner metro)
> > >> Any provider installing GPON to residential communities or buildings
> > >> Any provider installing GPON to commercial buildings
> > >> Any provider offering Ethernet services over fibre and decides (due to necessity) to upgrade core/distribution/edge components
> > >> Any provider possibly offering bonded EFM services of greater than 25Mbps
> > >> *maybe* any Submarine Cable owner with network elements in Australia
> > >> 
> > >> [b]
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> > >>> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34 PM
> > >>> To: James Andrewartha
> > >>> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation
> > >>> 
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: James Andrewartha [mailto:trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au]
> > >>>> Isn't that exempt under the following?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> "Second, where a telecommunications network (other than the NBN)
> > >>> comes
> > >>>> into existence or is altered or upgraded, after 25 November 2010, to
> > >>>> supply or be capable of supplying a superfast carriage service to
> > >>>> customers, other than individual government or corporate end-users, ..."
> > >>> 
> > >>> Have a read of the actual clause and let me know what your interpretation is.
> > >>> It's a network that is used *or is capable of being used*.  It is where the
> > >>> "network" is not used *wholey* to supply carriage services.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Sure seems captured to me.
> > >>> 
> > >>> [b]
> > >>> 
> > >>> For the purposes of this Part, if:
> > >>>                     (a)  a telecommunications network is used, or is capable of being
> > >>> used, to supply one or more Layer 2 bitstream services to customers, or
> > >>> prospective customers, in Australia; and
> > >>>                     (b)  the network is used, or is capable of being used, to supply a
> > >>> superfast carriage service to customers, or prospective customers, in
> > >>> Australia; and
> > >>>                     (c)  the network is not the national broadband network; and
> > >>>                     (d)  either:
> > >>>                              (i)  the network came into existence after 25 November 2010;
> > >>> or
> > >>>                             (ii)  the network was altered or upgraded after 25 November
> > >>> 2010 and, as a result of the alteration or upgrade, the network became
> > >>> capable of being used to supply a superfast carriage service to customers, or
> > >>> prospective customers, in Australia; and
> > >>>                     (e)  the network is not used wholly to supply carriage services to a
> > >>> single end-user, where that end-user is:
> > >>>                              (i)  a public body (within the meaning of the
> > >>> Telecommunications Act 1997 ); or
> > >>>                             (ii)  a company;
> > >>> the network is a designated superfast telecommunications network .
> > >>> 
> > >>> To my (non-legal) reading, it's captured.
> > >>> 
> > >>> [b]
> > >>> 
> > 
> >