[AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN

Skeeve Stevens Skeeve at eintellego.net
Mon May 31 12:20:33 EST 2010 

Hey Kate,

What exactly does StudentNet do with v6 that it couldn't do with v4?

The point that the users don't know it is v6 doesn't help much with Kevin's argument though then.

Who has the money... yes well the government could do a whole lot more for promotion of IPv6.  Conroy is happily pushing his agenda, but a few releases from his department or ones he looks after could go a long way to helping.

Those articles starting to be written.... it is something at least.

This discussion started over the validity 'doomsday' articles and their appropriateness... my view is 'nothing else will help right now' so I support those articles.  I don't even care if the journos are only 80% accurate if it stimulates discussion on the topic.  We can always fix that.

I think we just ALL need to start talking about it.  As Mark suggested, all ISPs should have a 'IPv6 Plans and Status' page.... and make announcements when you've made a significant move.

...Skeeve



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kate Lance [mailto:kate at ipv6now.com.au]
> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:36 AM
> To: Skeeve Stevens
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN
> 
> Hi Skeeve,
> 
> On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:14:24PM +1000, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> > IPv6 is just a new version of IPv4..... it is Windows 2008 to 2003,
> or
> > Windows 7 to XP/Vista.  You might be making a few dollars selling
> > students some tunnels for now, but that will disappear in a not too
> > distant time.
> 
> I think Kevin was making the point that Studentnet is an innovative
> service running on IPv6 and using features that could not happen with
> IPv4 - but in fact the people using Studentnet barely know it uses
> IPv6 and don't care anyway.
> 
> > You do it because IPv4 is running out.  You start preparing ASAP so
> > that when it really hits and your customer start asking, then you
> don't
> > have to network in a crisis just to keep your customer.
> 
> Couldn't agree more! I've been working on the IPv6 Summits for the last
> six years. We've tried everything we could think of to get attention
> - tech integrity arguements like the above, innovation for the good
> news,
> doomsday scenarios for the bad. We go out of our way to get media
> attendance, but the doomsday stories are the only thing that ever gets
> attention - and then it always ends up on the tech pages...
> 
> > My reference to softly softly is in reference to the mass-market.
> > You'd be lucky if your average user knows what the term 'ipv6' is....
> > or 'ipv4'... they know what an IP address is, but there has been
> almost
> > NO mass market promotion of what is going on with the IPv4 run-out.
> 
> Agreed. So who's got the mega-dollars and remit to do this? The
> government? The Oz government, bless their censorious little hearts,
> have
> actually been one of the few to insist that it's own networks are
> v6-capable by the end of 2012. (BTW that was a real victory for the
> IPv6
> Summit, which targetted them on this - they originally wanted the
> deadline to be 2015.)
> 
> But does the govt spread the word? Don't think so. There's votes in
> stuff
> people read in the headlines - hospitals, boat people, mines, schools
> etc
> etc. But the technology that underpins the modern world?  No way -
> they're like Wile E. Coyote, afraid to look down.
> 
> > Note, I am not saying these are nothing, or bad things... everything
> is
> > great.  But this discussion started re a CNN (and more recently an
> > article quoting Geoff Huston), and we are talking about the MASS
> > market.  News.com.au/smh.com.au and so on front page links to
> > articles.... THIS is what I am talking about.... This is the medium
> in
> > which the users of Australia and the world will slowly start to hear
> > about 'IPv6' and understand what is happening... and maybe start to
> ask
> > ISPs and suppliers.
> 
> Yes, yes, yes.  But who's going to write the articles?  Who's got the
> million-dollar budget to market v6? And even if they did, would it get
> wars, oil spills, political shenanigans off the front pages?
> 
> The unbelievable value of the interconnectedness taken for granted,
> held
> together by the amazing efforts of techies everywhere, just isn't seen
> as
> worth a headline. (Unless you can get votes blathering about porn.)
> 
> Think about this. The remaining IANA IPv4 pool fell by *eight* /8
> blocks
> - from 26 to 18 - in just the first 5 months of 2010. Out of the
> remaining 18, 5 are earmarked, so only 13 remain unallocated. At that
> burn
> rate? ... you do the maths.
> 
> Regards,
> Kate
> 
>  Dr Kate Lance, Communications Manager           IPv6 Now Pty Ltd
>  Phone +61 416 070 230                Head Office +61 2 6161 6607
>  kate at ipv6now.com.au      Understanding - Transition - Innovation
>  www.ipv6now.com.au    PO Box 152 Civic Square ACT 2608 Australia
> 
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> > --
> > Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> > eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
> > skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> > Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
> > Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
> > www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> > > bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Karp
> > > Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 8:17 PM
> > > To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> > > Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN
> > >
> > > Skeeve
> > >
> > > There's a lot in your post, I'll just focus on the issues specific
> to
> > > me...
> > >
> > > >  Kevin, you'd rather show people the rewards and profits?  What
> > > profits?
> > > >  Apart from integration and selling people new hardware, there
> are no
> > > real profits
> > > >  in just 'having IPv6'.  Rewards?
> > >
> > > I'm truly saddened that you can not (after all this time) identify
> > > these. There have been whole presentations at the IPv6 summit (I
> know
> > > because I've given some of them).
> > >
> > > I am amazed to see you so unaware.
> > >
> > > >  The only reward is being in business in a couple of years time -
> the
> > > >  most important of all rewards - but you can't sell that.
> > >
> > > Well we agree here, you need to show real benefits relevant to the
> > > business in question and that is the only true motivator.
> > >
> > > >  APNIC, ISOC-AU, IPv6NOW (in this region) and other organisations
> > > have taken this
> > > >  softly softly approach for far too long and where is IPv6
> adoption
> > > at?
> > >
> > > ISOC-AU and IPv6Now (I cannot speak for APNIC) have taken anything
> BUT
> > > a softly, softly approach. Whether it be the annual summits, or
> > > innovative product development, or representation to government our
> > > activities have been aggressive and way ahead of the market.
> > >
> > > Just one example, close to my own activities, Studentnet has been
> an
> > > aggressive roll out of IPv6 infrastructure to an astute, mature,
> market
> > > segment. Moreover because of it, I dare say that market segment is
> > > better IPv6 prepared than the rest of Australian industry bar any,
> > > including the ISP industry.
> > >
> > > >  It is terrible considering how close we are to the ipv4 run-out.
> > >
> > > Again total agreement from me, but surely that tells you something
> > > about the effectiveness of the doomsayer strategy whereas I can
> (and
> > > have been) pointing out to you complete long term programs (read my
> > > previous 2 para's).
> > >
> > > >This technology is critical to the Telco/carrier/isp/etc world
> > > continuing to operate...
> > > >those who are responsible to handing out these recourses to the
> end
> > > users have,
> > > >for the most part minus a few notables (such as Internode, Pipe),
> > >
> > > AND Studentnet(via IPv6Now)!
> > >
> > > >  have made very little progress in deploying or making this
> > > technology widely available to
> > > >  the public/their customers.
> > >
> > > Well the facts are that ALL of the Studentnet schools have now (and
> > > have been for 18+ months) had their IPv6 address allocations made
> and
> > > their web sites facilities v6 accessible - I cannot speak for
> others.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > --
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> > >     Kevin Karp                            kjk at studentnet.edu.au
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