[AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN

Sun May 30 22:14:24 EST 2010

Kevin,

Unaware of what?

IPv6 is just a new version of IPv4..... it is Windows 2008 to 2003, or Windows 7 to XP/Vista.

You might be making a few dollars selling students some tunnels for now, but that will disappear in a not too distant time.

No one 'needs' IPv6... it isn't something you go 'wow, cool, more numbers, yah.. I NEED this'.

You do it because IPv4 is running out.  You start preparing ASAP so that when it really hits and your customer start asking, then you don't have to network in a crisis just to keep your customer.

End users don't ask for IPv6 because they just don't care.  It doesn't matter to them in almost any way.  They want to type 'www.smh.com.au' and they don't care if the browser gets 1.2.3.4 or FF00::1111:2222:3333:4444... it just doesn't affect them in any way.

But when IPv4 runs out from your RIR (APNIC) and you can't get any more, and you need to have planned long before what you are going to do.

While users don't need IPv6 to function, they will start to ask about it.  Internode is a perfect example of that... they have hundreds and hundreds of IPv6 users.  And all our customers will ask about it.  Once that happens and users are familiar with it, then they will take that to their work places... and they will start to ask.

> ISOC-AU and IPv6Now (I cannot speak for APNIC) have taken anything BUT
> a softly, softly approach. Whether it be the annual summits, or
> innovative product development, or representation to government our
> activities have been aggressive and way ahead of the market.

My reference to softly softly is in reference to the mass-market.

You'd be lucky if your average user knows what the term 'ipv6' is.... or 'ipv4'... they know what an IP address is, but there has been almost NO mass market promotion of what is going on with the IPv4 run-out.

Sorry Kevin, but the Summit (which I like, have spoken at, and will again) has a very narrow target. 150 or less people does not make mass market awareness... nor your schoolsnet, product development or government activities.

Note, I am not saying these are nothing, or bad things... everything is great.  But this discussion started re a CNN (and more recently an article quoting Geoff Huston), and we are talking about the MASS market.  News.com.au/smh.com.au and so on front page links to articles.... THIS is what I am talking about.... This is the medium in which the users of Australia and the world will slowly start to hear about 'IPv6' and understand what is happening... and maybe start to ask ISPs and suppliers.

Please understand what I am actually referring to here... not your, my or others little industry efforts, but main stream awareness... and I am afraid that if you asked any marketing people - just putting a 'hey, a new number range is coming and it is cool' is going to do nothing. An article that mentions the run-out, time frames, explains the term ipv4 and ipv6 and quotes industry heads and talks about what will have to happen - are the articles we need.

...Skeeve

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Karp
> Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2010 8:17 PM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] IPv6 Article on CNN
> 
> Skeeve
> 
> There's a lot in your post, I'll just focus on the issues specific to
> me...
> 
> >  Kevin, you'd rather show people the rewards and profits?  What
> profits?
> >  Apart from integration and selling people new hardware, there are no
> real profits
> >  in just 'having IPv6'.  Rewards?
> 
> I'm truly saddened that you can not (after all this time) identify
> these. There have been whole presentations at the IPv6 summit (I know
> because I've given some of them).
> 
> I am amazed to see you so unaware.
> 
> >  The only reward is being in business in a couple of years time - the
> >  most important of all rewards - but you can't sell that.
> 
> Well we agree here, you need to show real benefits relevant to the
> business in question and that is the only true motivator.
> 
> >  APNIC, ISOC-AU, IPv6NOW (in this region) and other organisations
> have taken this
> >  softly softly approach for far too long and where is IPv6 adoption
> at?
> 
> ISOC-AU and IPv6Now (I cannot speak for APNIC) have taken anything BUT
> a softly, softly approach. Whether it be the annual summits, or
> innovative product development, or representation to government our
> activities have been aggressive and way ahead of the market.
> 
> Just one example, close to my own activities, Studentnet has been an
> aggressive roll out of IPv6 infrastructure to an astute, mature, market
> segment. Moreover because of it, I dare say that market segment is
> better IPv6 prepared than the rest of Australian industry bar any,
> including the ISP industry.
> 
> >  It is terrible considering how close we are to the ipv4 run-out.
> 
> Again total agreement from me, but surely that tells you something
> about the effectiveness of the doomsayer strategy whereas I can (and
> have been) pointing out to you complete long term programs (read my
> previous 2 para's).
> 
> >This technology is critical to the Telco/carrier/isp/etc world
> continuing to operate...
> >those who are responsible to handing out these recourses to the end
> users have,
> >for the most part minus a few notables (such as Internode, Pipe),
> 
> AND Studentnet(via IPv6Now)!
> 
> >  have made very little progress in deploying or making this
> technology widely available to
> >  the public/their customers.
> 
> Well the facts are that ALL of the Studentnet schools have now (and
> have been for 18+ months) had their IPv6 address allocations made and
> their web sites facilities v6 accessible - I cannot speak for others.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Kevin
> 
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