[AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"

Wed May 19 10:34:11 EST 2010

Dan,
Don't take this the wrong way but I think you speak very harshly of young people and personally I think you may have the wrong idea.

We work in an industry were experience is paramount, however what happens to those young people who are constantly trying to get experience when everyone asks for 3 to 4 years?
I myself am only 18 but have been lucky enough to land myself the jobs I wanted (network engineering and now full time programmer) sure I took on a few jobs well over my depth of knowledge, but hell... that's how I learnt.

I don't know what your talking about when it comes to Pass4Sure CCNA's? because CCNA is generally taught in such a manner that it is pretty easy to pass... Lets no have one of those "in my day CCNA was a blah blah blah"

Honestly what I am trying to say is lay off the young people who are trying because without doing things like this you won't ever get real world experience and your just putting a fork in the learning road.

Sorry for the rant noggers but I get very offended by things like this.

Karl.

Cheers!
Karl Kloppenborg
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On 19/05/2010, at 10:17, Daniel Hood wrote:

> Them "Internets" ain't going to die if we all start using capital I's. It is however going to be come extremely address exhausted.
> 
> What is the general opinion of people here on IPv6? In my opinion, I welcome the move, because for one it means that these nounce kids (such as myself) are going to have a lot more trouble "faking it" when they attempt to get jobs well above there skill level running networks they shouldn't be allowed near. I mean if you can't convert to hex you can't really use IPv6 all that well. And that means these kids with their Pass4Sure CCNA's and no real world experience won't be able to hide underneath the radar of the 192.168.0.x subnet anymore. 
> 
> I also like the fact that instead of having to sparingly use my 8 home IPs for a honeynet, test servers and production servers I can be a bit more giving. 
> 
> And last but not least, that feature that allows the host to discover default gateways looks pretty bad ass, I really want to have a good play with that as well. 
> 
> Everyone else's thoughts?
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:
> Actually.  I did jump off half-cocked.  After reading the article
> (rather than just your post) she was perhaps intending it to be a proper
> noun (like a hotel name), so I'll take one for the team here.  However,
> if it wasn't used in the manner intended, then the rest would be fine.
> Sorry Scott.
> 
> Ordinarily it's a pet peeve of mine when people correct me for not using
> capital "i".  At least I got to inject a clip of a couple of great shows
> being The IT Crowd or South Park :)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> [b]
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bevan Slattery
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 9:56 AM
> > To: Scott Howard; ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: RE: [AusNOG] SMH: "No room at the internet"
> >
> >
> >
> > > All up, it's enough to make you cringe (starting with the lack of a
> > > capital I in the subject, it goes downhill from there), but
> > there are
> > > some good quotes from Geoff Huston...
> >
> > Sheesh.  The thing that makes me cringe a bit is people who
> > still insist that internet should start with a capital "I".
> > As the Wikipedia entry found here
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventio
> > ns acknowledges
> >
> > "Critics of the usage as a proper noun argue that other
> > things that are unique yet distributed, such as "the power
> > grid", "the telephone network", and even "the sky", are not
> > considered proper nouns, and are thus not capitalized. Since
> > at least 2002 it has been theorized that Internet has been
> > changing from a proper noun to a generic term.[4] Words for
> > new technologies, such as Phonograph in the 19th century, are
> > sometimes capitalized at first, later becoming
> > uncapitalized.[4] It was suggested as early as 1999 that
> > Internet might, like some other commonly used proper nouns,
> > lose its capital letter."
> >
> > You will note that the SMH along with the Economist,
> > Financial Times and the Guardian also use the non-capitalised version.
> >
> > IMHO to raise the 'internet' as proper noun fails to
> > acknowledge the work and investment by this exact industry to
> > make it generic or ubiquitous.  For me the same applies to
> > [E]ethernet.  If you want to use capitals, then go ahead.  If
> > you don't, don't.  But don't pick people up for using lower
> > case "i", because you'll be in the the same category as Jen
> > from the IT Crowd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
> > or those who doubted Kyle on South Park
> > http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166192 :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > [b]
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