[AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

[Andrew Oskam]

I'd rather not have to wonder at all.

There are far more important things to worry about - the AG shouldn't  
be assuming we're all criminals.

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Andrew Oskam

On 14/06/2010, at 8:24 PM, "Jay Mitchell" <jay at miscreant.org> wrote:

> You'd have to ask yourself how many TOR exit nodes are already owned  
> by TLA
> agencies or other shady characters first.
>
> Personally I'd use OpenVPN + Off-shore Dedicated server,  
> hypothetically of
> course ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Hood
> Sent: Monday, 14 June 2010 7:43 PM
> To: Chris Pollock
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>
> Can't we just use TOR for all our shenadigans?
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Chris Pollock
> <Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:
>> And with the Layer1/2 infrastructure of the NBN in place, they may  
>> end
>> up with the capability to implement whatever sniffing they like it
>> before it gets to us.
>>
>> We may not have a choice.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Phillip Grasso
>> Sent: Sat 6/12/2010 12:14 PM
>> To: Mark Smith
>> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>>
>> rights are eroded one bit at a time.
>>
>> first its protect the children
>> then its data rentention policy
>> then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'.
>> (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).
>>
>> Where does it stop? it doesn't!
>>
>>
>>
>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
> nothing."
>> (Edmund Burke)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith
>> <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000
>>         Dmitri Kalintsev <dek735 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>         > I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their
>> smtp/http/proxy _server_
>>         > (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or
>> do they want
>>         > something based on DPI?
>>         >
>>
>>
>>         The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.
>>
>>         What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence  
>> against
>> you,
>>         because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I
>> don't and
>>         will not accept being an assumed criminal.
>>
>>         When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet
>> standards was
>>         appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network
>> manager said
>>         the following
>> (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895)
>>
>>         "We should not be building surveillance technology into  
>> standards.
>> Law
>>         enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy,
>> it's called
>>         a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.
>>
>>         Think about the last two sentences.
>>
>>
>>
>>         > Regards,
>>         >
>>         > -- Dmitri
>>         >
>>         > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes
>> <rbyrnes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         > >
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user- 
>> data-339303785.
>> htm
>>         > >
>>         > > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but
>> possibly a data
>>         > > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ...
>> by some bloke
>>         > > called Orwell.
>>         > >
>>         > > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?
>>         > >
>>         > > --
>>         > > Idiot :
>>         > >    A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence
>> in human
>>         > > affairs has always been dominant and controlling.
>>         > > (Ambrose Bierce - The Devils Dictionary)
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