[AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

[Daniel Hooper]

I'm more concerned with what private companies/carriers/telcos will do with this data, or how they will protect it from falling into the wrong hands.


On 12/06/2010, at 12:14, "Phillip Grasso" <phillip.grasso at gmail.com<mailto:phillip.grasso at gmail.com>> wrote:

rights are eroded one bit at a time.

first its protect the children
then its data rentention policy
then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'. (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).

Where does it stop? it doesn't!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)




On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith <<mailto:nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org<mailto:nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000
Dmitri Kalintsev <<mailto:dek735 at gmail.com>dek735 at gmail.com<mailto:dek735 at gmail.com>> wrote:

> I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their smtp/http/proxy _server_
> (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or do they want
> something based on DPI?
>

The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.

What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence against you,
because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I don't and
will not accept being an assumed criminal.

When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet standards was
appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network manager said
the following (<http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895>http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895)

"We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. Law
enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called
a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.

Think about the last two sentences.


> Regards,
>
> -- Dmitri
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes <<mailto:rbyrnes at gmail.com>rbyrnes at gmail.com<mailto:rbyrnes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm> http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm
> >
> > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but possibly a data
> > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... by some bloke
> > called Orwell.
> >
> > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?
> >
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