[AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

[Jay Mitchell]

You'd have to ask yourself how many TOR exit nodes are already owned by TLA
agencies or other shady characters first.

Personally I'd use OpenVPN + Off-shore Dedicated server, hypothetically of
course ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Hood
Sent: Monday, 14 June 2010 7:43 PM
To: Chris Pollock
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

Can't we just use TOR for all our shenadigans?

Dan

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Chris Pollock
<Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:
> And with the Layer1/2 infrastructure of the NBN in place, they may end 
> up with the capability to implement whatever sniffing they like it 
> before it gets to us.
>
> We may not have a choice.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Phillip Grasso
> Sent: Sat 6/12/2010 12:14 PM
> To: Mark Smith
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>
> rights are eroded one bit at a time.
>
> first its protect the children
> then its data rentention policy
> then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'. 
> (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).
>
> Where does it stop? it doesn't!
>
>
>
> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing."
> (Edmund Burke)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith 
> <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote:
>
>
>         On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000
>         Dmitri Kalintsev <dek735 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         > I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their 
> smtp/http/proxy _server_
>         > (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or 
> do they want
>         > something based on DPI?
>         >
>
>
>         The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.
>
>         What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence against 
> you,
>         because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I 
> don't and
>         will not accept being an assumed criminal.
>
>         When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet 
> standards was
>         appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network 
> manager said
>         the following 
> (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895)
>
>         "We should not be building surveillance technology into standards.
> Law
>         enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, 
> it's called
>         a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.
>
>         Think about the last two sentences.
>
>
>
>         > Regards,
>         >
>         > -- Dmitri
>         >
>         > On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes 
> <rbyrnes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>         >
>         > >
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.
> htm
>         > >
>         > > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but 
> possibly a data
>         > > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... 
> by some bloke
>         > > called Orwell.
>         > >
>         > > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?
>         > >
>         > > --
>         > > Idiot :
>         > >    A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence 
> in human
>         > > affairs has always been dominant and controlling.
>         > > (Ambrose Bierce - The Devils Dictionary)
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