<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I'm more concerned with what private companies/carriers/telcos will do with this data, or how they will protect it from falling into the wrong hands.</div><div><br></div><div><br>On 12/06/2010, at 12:14, "Phillip Grasso" <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>rights are eroded one bit at a time. <br><br>first its protect the children<br>then its data rentention policy<br>then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'. (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).<br>
<br>Where does it stop? it doesn't! <br><br><h4><i><i>"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men
do nothing." (Edmund Burke)</i></i></h4><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org"><a href="mailto:nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org">nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000<br>
Dmitri Kalintsev <<a href="mailto:dek735@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:dek735@gmail.com">dek735@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
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> I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their smtp/http/proxy _server_<br>
> (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or do they want<br>
> something based on DPI?<br>
><br>
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</div>The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.<br>
<br>
What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence against you,<br>
because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I don't and<br>
will not accept being an assumed criminal.<br>
<br>
When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet standards was<br>
appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network manager said<br>
the following (<a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895">http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895</a></a>)<br>
<br>
"We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. Law<br>
enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called<br>
a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.<br>
<br>
Think about the last two sentences.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
><br>
> -- Dmitri<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes <<a href="mailto:rbyrnes@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:rbyrnes@gmail.com">rbyrnes@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > <a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm">http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm</a></a><br>
> ><br>
> > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but possibly a data<br>
> > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... by some bloke<br>
> > called Orwell.<br>
> ><br>
> > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Idiot :<br>
> > A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human<br>
> > affairs has always been dominant and controlling.<br>
> > (Ambrose Bierce - The Devils Dictionary)<br>
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