[AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

[Chris Pollock]

And with the Layer1/2 infrastructure of the NBN in place, they may end up with the capability to implement whatever sniffing they like it before it gets to us.

We may not have a choice.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Phillip Grasso
Sent: Sat 6/12/2010 12:14 PM
To: Mark Smith
Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
 
rights are eroded one bit at a time. 

first its protect the children
then its data rentention policy
then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'. (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).

Where does it stop? it doesn't! 



"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)





On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote:


	On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000
	Dmitri Kalintsev <dek735 at gmail.com> wrote:
	
	> I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their smtp/http/proxy _server_
	> (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or do they want
	> something based on DPI?
	>
	
	
	The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.
	
	What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence against you,
	because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I don't and
	will not accept being an assumed criminal.
	
	When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet standards was
	appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network manager said
	the following (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895)
	
	"We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. Law
	enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called
	a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.
	
	Think about the last two sentences.
	


	> Regards,
	>
	> -- Dmitri
	>
	> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes <rbyrnes at gmail.com> wrote:
	>
	> > http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm
	> >
	> > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but possibly a data
	> > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... by some bloke
	> > called Orwell.
	> >
	> > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?
	> >
	> > --
	> > Idiot :
	> >    A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human
	> > affairs has always been dominant and controlling.
	> > (Ambrose Bierce - The Devils Dictionary)
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