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<P><FONT SIZE=2>And with the Layer1/2 infrastructure of the NBN in place, they may end up with the capability to implement whatever sniffing they like it before it gets to us.<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Phillip Grasso<BR>
Sent: Sat 6/12/2010 12:14 PM<BR>
To: Mark Smith<BR>
Cc: ausnog@ausnog.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history<BR>
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rights are eroded one bit at a time.<BR>
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first its protect the children<BR>
then its data rentention policy<BR>
then can easily creep to 'illegal to bypass filter / data retention'. (with arguments like only pedophiles want to bypass the filter).<BR>
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Where does it stop? it doesn't!<BR>
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)<BR>
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org> wrote:<BR>
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:44:31 +1000<BR>
Dmitri Kalintsev <dek735@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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> I wonder if what they mean ISPs to retain are their smtp/http/proxy _server_<BR>
> (i.e. actual servers that a given ISP owns/hosts) logs, or do they want<BR>
> something based on DPI?<BR>
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The methods don't matter to them - that's not their problem.<BR>
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What they want is to be constantly collecting evidence against you,<BR>
because they assume that eventually you'll commit a crime. I don't and<BR>
will not accept being an assumed criminal.<BR>
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When the IESG considered whether adding LI into Internet standards was<BR>
appropriate, Jeff Schiller, IESG member and MIT network manager said<BR>
the following (<A HREF="http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895">http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/10/31895</A>)<BR>
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"We should not be building surveillance technology into standards. Law<BR>
enforcement was not supposed to be easy. Where it is easy, it's called<BR>
a police state," Schiller said on Tuesday.<BR>
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Think about the last two sentences.<BR>
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> Regards,<BR>
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> -- Dmitri<BR>
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> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Rob Byrnes <rbyrnes@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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> > <A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm">http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-339303785.htm</A><BR>
> ><BR>
> > Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but possibly a data<BR>
> > retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... by some bloke<BR>
> > called Orwell.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > --<BR>
> > Idiot :<BR>
> > A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human<BR>
> > affairs has always been dominant and controlling.<BR>
> > (Ambrose Bierce - The Devils Dictionary)<BR>
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