[AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme?

Thu Jul 8 17:06:22 EST 2010

I don't think a lot of people realise but the idea behind that movie is very powerful!

What would it take, and do we have the guts, to do something with the same idea and give power back to the people? because by the looks of it the government sure as hell aint listening!

When should we start handing out Guy Faulkes masks...?

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From: "Andrew E" <edo at ohlawd.net>
To: "Chris Pollock" <Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com>
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Sent: Thursday, 8 July, 2010 4:30:21 PM GMT +09:30 Darwin
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending 	mandatatory censorship scheme?

I was watching V for Vendetta last night. What is fictional in that movie is becoming a reality here in aus (monitoring all communications, blacklists, etc...) 

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On 08/07/2010, at 3:26 PM, "Chris Pollock" < Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com > wrote: 

IMO the the two things are different halves of the same plan, as Bevan touched on some weeks ago. 

- implement a filtering system which checks every URL entered by every Australian 
- implement a data retention system for all ISP's to maintain substantial information about user internet and communication history 
- implement a single national broadband network 
- remove AusCERT and establish Government run CERT 

So they'd own/run the network, track what you do on it, only allow you access to the things they want you to see, and then control the threat response. I hope the Telescreen can view YouTube videos. 

Sounds like a recipe to take control of the Internet to me. I'll happily kill the NBN if it means killing the filter. The last five houses I've lived in have had over 16mbps down and 1meg up, I haven't had a problem with Internet access speed since dialup in 2001. And those edge cases that can't get any decent speeds aren't even going to be serviced by the NBN anyway, USO Corp will be taking the Universal Service Obligation customers off Telstra's hands. 

You don't have to look at many heat maps to realise that getting acceptable broadband speed to the majority of homes is NOT the real goal of the NBN. Losing it isn't just collateral damage, it's cutting off two heads of the same hydra. 

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Oskam 
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:49 AM 
To: Skeeve Stevens 
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively,doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme? 

I'm in the same boat as you Skeeve - my thoughts exactly 
I just can't justify the loss of the NBN. 

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On 08/07/2010, at 12:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens < Skeeve at eintellego.net > wrote: 

Honestly, I am a Labor voter... well... was... not sure now. 

If Abbot hadn’t said he was going to scrap the NBN, I would be voting for the Liberals... bring back Turnbull... I liked him L 

...Skeeve 

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft 
Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 AM 
To: Phillip Grasso 
Cc: Skeeve Stevens; ausnog at ausnog.net 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme? 

Senate seats might hurt them, but ask yourself this: 

What do you know about the Opposition's views on the filter? If Labor lose will it mean scraping the idea or claiming it as their own to claim the same voting block? 

If the Opposition support it and so do Labor then the minorities are irrelevant in the Senate. 

MMC 

On 07/07/2010, at 11:55 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote: 

you raise good points, let me say this; 

Senate Seats. Hit them where it hurts. 

my back of envelope count is that we'll need 338K votes to get 1 senate seat. 

1 Senate seat will probably be enough to do damage to a filtering program, especially when they would want to do deals to get other things across (assuming they don't have an overwhelming majority) 

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft < mmc at internode.com.au > wrote: 

On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote: 

> its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do you think Conroy has it in for Google. 
> 
> The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is there, so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the industry, with a possibly few big players in his back pocket due to NBN, he can say things such as 'industry consultation/support' etc. 

I think we could be super organised, with a huge media budget and the Fed Govt wouldn't change their mind before the election. 

If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it to show (a) they're backing down and not delivering on YET another policy (b) not tough on Child Pornography (c) not protecting our kids. Which ever of the arguments works the best for TonyA at the time. 

This isn't a rational argument. It's clear the Conroy isn't interested in rational arguments. The whole proposal is laughable (heck, I've just come back from the US where we ARE a joke because of this - most people think it's already running!), but still, the telecommunications industry is a poor block of votes compared to keeping the conservative Christian lobby on side (the people who want this). 

The focus really needs to be on these things: 

If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to implement the filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it). Or will it die as a "non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as telecommunications minister? 

If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do? Will they show sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same conservative Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good idea. 

Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds before the election. The question is - will this be an election issue or will we be back to beating up on the vunerable and non-voting refugees again like the tough people we are. (Must remind Christians like TonyA about what Christianity is about - seem to remember a few bits from the Bible from Sunday school and Jesus embracing everyone and looking after the poor and destitute, not just some of them - anyway, offtopic). 

MMC 

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